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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ht2] #672329
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Originally Posted By: ht2
Powell probably could have become the first black President..and a Republican. Back in 1996 there were polls showing him more popular than Clinton, but his heart wasn't in it.



I remember those days.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672339
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For the first time in that publication's long history, the Chicago Tribune has endorsed the Democratic candidate for President.

(Considering this was the same paper that was a mortal enemy of FDR back then, this is notable.)

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/chicago_tribune_endorses_obama.html

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672359
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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
For the first time in that publication's long history, the Chicago Tribune has endorsed the Democratic candidate for President.

(Considering this was the same paper that was a mortal enemy of FDR back then, this is notable.)

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/chicago_tribune_endorses_obama.html



You do know that article was 2008, right? ...But they did endorse him again today. wink

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672360
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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Just Lou] #672362
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Originally Posted By: Just Lou


lol

This was way too funny. Poor Romney. lol


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672382
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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672383
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BTW, if you come across that piece floating around online around the same variation that Team Mittens is targeting Wisconsin as an alternative route to victory...I get the sense that they're bluffing, and already fearing they've lost Ohio.

Kerry in '04 unfortunately would've taken the bait. I don't think O'12 will.

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Re: Meatloaf...It's absolutely dreadful. uhwhat I think he even beat Roseanne Barr (and that's pretty damn bad) Seriously, was he serious? lol


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672399
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Tweet from fivethirtyeight last night:

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The candidate we have leading in EVERY state today is the same one we had leading when we launched 538 forecast in June.


"every state" he means swing state, just FYI.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672401
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I just early voted and the place was packed.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672402
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On Lilo's note about Sununu saying Powell is only supporting his character because of race, Powell's former chief of staff Laurence Wilkerson said this:

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"My party, unfortunately, is the bastion of those people -- not all of them, but most of them -- who are still basing their positions on race. Let me just be candid: My party is full of racists, and the real reason a considerable portion of my party wants President Obama out of the White House has nothing to do with the content of his character, nothing to do with his competence as commander-in-chief and president, and everything to do with the color of his skin, and that's despicable,"


http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/19229

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672416
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^^that guy is unfortunately right for the most part


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672421
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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Tweet from fivethirtyeight last night:

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The candidate we have leading in EVERY state today is the same one we had leading when we launched 538 forecast in June.


"every state" he means swing state, just FYI.


Problem is, Nate The Great had Obama winning Florida and NC until just a few weeks ago, not June. So he's not being totally honest saying his EV map since June , but who remembers unless they read him daily like I do?

What I can't understand about his column is how he can still have Obama winning popular vote by 1.5% Every major poll released since the week of the first debate has Romney ahead by 3-5 points.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672424
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^^^Not true, all the major polls have them going back and forth leading the popular vote by a few points each respectively with Romney now leading the popular vote by a few points overall which doesnt matter cause we all know its the electoral votes that count.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Dapper_Don] #672425
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Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
^^that guy is unfortunately right for the most part
gotta disagree here. do you guys really think the majority of people who want obama outta the white house want it soley because he's black? come on, thats just bullshit. are there some who feel that way, sure, but this idea that because there are a few people who feel that way that we should just lump everyone who is against him into the racist category is nonsense. regardless of you political positions, the country has enough problems right now that there are plenty of reasons to want a change in leadership. republican doesn't = racist guys, despite what msnbc might try to make you believe. if i wanna criticize the president and someone wants to play the race card because i happen to be white and a republican, then that is just as offensive imo as the small majority of people who want him out based on race alone. remember guys, don't let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch no matter what the issue.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Five_Felonies] #672427
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^^that guy is unfortunately right for the most part
gotta disagree here. do you guys really think the majority of people who want obama outta the white house want it soley because he's black? come on, thats just bullshit. are there some who feel that way, sure, but this idea that because there are a few people who feel that way that we should just lump everyone who is against him into the racist category is nonsense. regardless of you political positions, the country has enough problems right now that there are plenty of reasons to want a change in leadership. republican doesn't = racist guys, despite what msnbc might try to make you believe. if i wanna criticize the president and someone wants to play the race card because i happen to be white and a republican, then that is just as offensive imo as the small majority of people who want him out based on race alone. remember guys, don't let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch no matter what the issue.


i am saying the guy is right for the most part that a good portion of the gop is basing their vote on race, its true. Why do you think there is all this drama about Obama being a muslim (hes not), born in Kenya (he wasnt), and when you ask a good portion of that populace to list intelligent (backed by non-partisan data) reasons why they wont vote for him, they start mouthing off general stuff about obama raising small business taxes (he hasnt) to taking away gun rights (they have actually loosened) that is not true. If some people cant even name one real legitimate reason why they want to vote for romney, rather than just "i dont like obama, I hate obama, anybody but obama" then that will obviously ring some bells for people I think.

Conservative outlets even ran their own polls a few times asking the gop populace if they believed obama was a muslim (at least 30% said yes) and whether they still were doubtful about his birth certificate (about 13-15% said yes). thats a good chunk anywhere. MSNBC has nothing to do with the facts. They are one of the few who happen to call out people on all this birther/muslim crap.

Why do you think romney joked about "nobody has ever asked me for my birth certificate" cause he knows there is a good portion of the gop populace who believe in that crap and he wanted to throw them a bone and appease them even if he doesnt believe it himself. The vast majority of American are good people but racism still does exist in BOTH parties.


Overall, the survey found that by virtue of racial prejudice, Obama could lose 5 percentage points off his share of the popular vote in his Nov. 6 contest against Republican challenger Mitt Romney. But Obama also stands to benefit from a 3 percentage point gain due to pro-black sentiment, researchers said. Overall, that means an estimated net loss of 2 percentage points due to anti-black attitudes.

The poll finds that racial prejudice is not limited to one group of partisans. Although Republicans were more likely than Democrats to express racial prejudice in the questions measuring explicit racism (79 percent among Republicans compared with 32 percent among Democrats), the implicit test found little difference between the two parties. That test showed a majority of both Democrats and Republicans held anti-black feelings (55 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans), as did about half of political independents (49 percent).

http://tinyurl.com/8pzbebm

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672429
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It should also be kept in mind that racial prejudice can be a component of opposition to the President's continued incumbency while not being the primary reason.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672436
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It's not surprising people are pulling the race card to create distraction.

There are racists on both sides. The irony in this context is that Colin Powell had overwhelming GOP support for presidential run.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ht2] #672437
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Originally Posted By: ht2
It's not surprising people are pulling the race card to create distraction.

There are racists on both sides. The irony in this context is that Colin Powell had overwhelming GOP support for presidential run.


Thats the shit that pisses me off, Sununu is an asshole. Apart from Condi Rice, Powell was one of the most loved Republicans from that GW Bush cabinet.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Dapper_Don] #672444
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Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
^^^Not true, all the major polls have them going back and forth leading the popular vote by a few points each respectively with Romney now leading the popular vote by a few points overall which doesnt matter cause we all know its the electoral votes that count.


Also, In almost all polls which canvas "registered voters" instead of "likely voters", Obama is ahead. I believe there's a 7+ point difference in Gallup's 2 separate polls. Turnout will decide the election, or at least the popular vote.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Dapper_Don] #672449
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Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Overall, the survey found that by virtue of racial prejudice, Obama could lose 5 percentage points off his share of the popular vote in his Nov. 6 contest against Republican challenger Mitt Romney. But Obama also stands to benefit from a 3 percentage point gain due to pro-black sentiment, researchers said. Overall, that means an estimated net loss of 2 percentage points due to anti-black attitudes.


And that 2 percent might just swing the election in Romney's favor. We didn't see the so called "Bradley Effect" in the 2008 election. We might see it here. If these polls are off by a few percentage points because white people being polled don't want to look like racists to the pollsters, Romney may be winning by as much as 5 percent.

Ten days to go. I can't wait until it's over.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #672453
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

And that 2 percent might just swing the election in Romney's favor. We didn't see the so called "Bradley Effect" in the 2008 election. We might see it here. If these polls are off by a few percentage points because white people being polled don't want to look like racists to the pollsters, Romney may be winning by as much as 5 percent.

Ten days to go. I can't wait until it's over.


I saw on the news that a Democratic spokesman claimed that none (or most) of the polls aren't counting non-English speaking voters, and he thinks Obama is doing much better than the polls suggest. Take it from where it came from, but I also saw someone else suggest the same thing in Florida, and he believes Obama is doing much better there than the polls show.

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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

And that 2 percent might just swing the election in Romney's favor. We didn't see the so called "Bradley Effect" in the 2008 election. We might see it here. If these polls are off by a few percentage points because white people being polled don't want to look like racists to the pollsters, Romney may be winning by as much as 5 percent.

Ten days to go. I can't wait until it's over.


I saw on the news that a Democratic spokesman claimed that none (or most) of the polls aren't counting non-English speaking voters, and he thinks Obama is doing much better than the polls suggest. Take it from where it came from, but I also saw someone else suggest the same thing in Florida, and he believes Obama is doing much better there than the polls show.

Yeah, could go either way. So who knows?


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #672458
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

Yeah, could go either way. So who knows?

Yup. Nobody knows. If females and minorities turn out in huge numbers, Obama could still win big. If they stay home, Romney can win. With early voting at a record pace though, that's a big plus for Obama.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672463
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Sad and scary that politicians have to rely on identity politics, instead of the issues to win.

Both sides are guilty.

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Both sides are guilty.

Amen to that, Vinny. After this election, I'm officially an Independent. Fuck both parties and their groupies.


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Amen to that, Vinny. After this election, I'm officially an Independent. Fuck both parties and their groupies.
you fine sir are one of the reasons that i haven't lost hope yet for the "older" generations!


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Amen to that, Vinny. After this election, I'm officially an Independent. Fuck both parties and their groupies.
you fine sir are one of the reasons that i haven't lost hope yet for the "older" generations!

Right back at ya, kid grin.


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I am tired of all this campaigning and political bickering between both parties (surprising since I am a political junkie),I cant wait till this shit is over, time to get down to business and rebuild this country.


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Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
I am tired of all this campaigning and political bickering between both parties (surprising since I am a political junkie),I cant wait till this shit is over, time to get down to business and rebuild this country.


You'd love it down here. I get junk mail from both candidates every single day. If it's not a letter from the campaign itself, it's one of their super pac groups. Obama was near my house on Thursday. Romney is all over the state today.

But Florida looks to be going Romney. If Obama does not come back here to Tampa or nearby Orlando soon, it means he gave up on this state.

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