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Re: If Vito had lived
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09/22/12 12:56 PM
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I wondered about that, too, because Vito swore that he would not be the first to break the peace that was made at the Commission meeting. But Michael wasn't bound by that pledge. And, when he and Vito were in the garden together, Vito warned Michael: "Whoever comes to you with this Barzini meeting--he's the traitor." That tells me that Vito was in on the planning for the Great Massacre of 1955. And, since the Barzini meeting seemed imminent and Vito wasn't planning on dying, I guess the massacre would have gone ahead if he had lived.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: If Vito had lived
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11/04/12 10:23 PM
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I wondered about that, too, because Vito swore that he would not be the first to break the peace that was made at the Commission meeting. But Michael wasn't bound by that pledge. And, when he and Vito were in the garden together, Vito warned Michael: "Whoever comes to you with this Barzini meeting--he's the traitor." That tells me that Vito was in on the planning for the Great Massacre of 1955. And, since the Barzini meeting seemed imminent and Vito wasn't planning on dying, I guess the massacre would have gone ahead if he had lived. This is an example of the novel better developing this portion of the plot when compared to the film. At the end of the Commission meeting, Vito tests Tom to see Tom's reaction to Vito making the peace. Tom astutely replies that he cannot believe that Vito gave his enemies the victory they appeared to receive. Hagen said "so how can I approve or disapprove?" Hagen felt all the clues Vito provided to an upcoming day of reckoning. Vito was merely making a tactical retreat in his decision to the Commission. Vito was formulating a complicated plan to exact his revenge for Sonny's death, which involved the safe return of Michael. With Michael returned from exile, Vito could keep his peace promise to the Commission while also using Michael to wipe out the other Family Dons. Vito knew that Michael was underrated by the enemy and that he could use this as a huge strategic advantage. In addition Vito knew that Michael would naturally want to avenge the deaths of Santino & Apollonia. Also a result of the meeting as explained in the novel: Vito wasn't going anywhere. He gave instructions to Hagen to buy all the adjacent lots near the Long Beach mall. He instructed Hagen to do it slowly so as not to alert the enemy. Vito explained "I now wish to live in a fortress."
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Re: If Vito had lived
[Re: goombah]
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11/05/12 02:42 PM
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I agree Vito would have gone to Nevada, and lived with Mama on the compound. He would do his gardening and don't forget he liked to go fishing also.
It is telling that in the Moe Green scene Tom makes it explicitly clear that the Don is "Semni-Retired" and tht Michael was in charge of the family business. My guess is Tom started taking the "semi" out of it when he spoke about the family after that. For sure when he was in Vegas laying the groundwork for the move he made it plain to evryone that Michael was now the boss. In fact had he lived, my guess is he would have gone to the safety of the Tahoe compound before the massacre.
This should have been a "tell" to the other families that Vito could keep his pledge, but that Michael was not bound by it....EXCEPT...Michael brilliantly hid the true strength of the family, nd no one knew how powerful they were, nor how strong Michael was. Reminds me of another Pacino movie "The Devil's Advocate when Pacino advises that it is better to be underestimated, and to "never let them see you coming."
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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