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Re: Do the U.S. and Italy families work together?
[Re: carmela]
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In Mafia Export, a great book by Francesco Forgione, there are tons of maps of Ndrangheta, Camorra and LCN crews operating in the US and Canada. I believe that Furio_From_Naples posted them all somewhere.
Even Thunder Bay, Ont. has an Ndrina!
[quote=Giancarlo] The other thing that makes all these families in Italy, and coming from Italy, very confusing, is that the women don't change their last name over there, so it's sometimes hard to know if someone is related by marriage and who they're married to over there, unless you know the family. It's almost impossible to piece together.
Wait...you mean Mob women or any women? Because as far as the Italians I know over there (family and friends) all women change their last name once married. Some keep it only for business reason on cards, plates, etc...
But Church-wise...all those that I know (around the Brescia and Palermo Provinces) have taken their hubby's cognome.
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Re: Do the U.S. and Italy families work together?
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09/13/12 04:45 PM
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In Mafia Export, a great book by Francesco Forgione, there are tons of maps of Ndrangheta, Camorra and LCN crews operating in the US and Canada. I believe that Furio_From_Naples posted them all somewhere.
Even Thunder Bay, Ont. has an Ndrina!
[quote=Giancarlo] The other thing that makes all these families in Italy, and coming from Italy, very confusing, is that the women don't change their last name over there, so it's sometimes hard to know if someone is related by marriage and who they're married to over there, unless you know the family. It's almost impossible to piece together.
Wait...you mean Mob women or any women? Because as far as the Italians I know over there (family and friends) all women change their last name once married. Some keep it only for business reason on cards, plates, etc...
But Church-wise...all those that I know (around the Brescia and Palermo Provinces) have taken their hubby's cognome. In the original post, it was asked if Sicily/Italy mafia members answer to or for members in the US and I posted "no they don't". I never said there weren't any crews operating in the US. They are each operating independently of one another, save for a few rare operations tying in both, ie Operation Old Bridge. And really, what I was getting at, moreover, is if you are living here and were made in Sicily, your loyalties are there and not here. There are guys that have moved to the US, but born and raised in Italy, and they continue to go back and forth doing business. Those, as well, have loyalties with Sicily, not here. That is getting deeper into the topic, though, when the simple answer to the original poster's question was "no". I haven't read Mafia Export. I don't read mafia books, never have, never plan on it. And yes, I was talking about all women. I don't know much about the north, admittedly, but in Sicily, NONE of the women change their last name. FACT. It was not allowed by the Italian gov't. If the rules have changed today, I don't know, but the women are still keeping their maiden names. I haven't met one or heard of one that has changed it.
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Re: Do the U.S. and Italy families work together?
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I haven't read Mafia Export. I don't read mafia books, never have, never plan on it.
Too bad.
I highly recommend it to anyone who's interested in knowing what goes on across intercontinental borders OC-wise.
I sort the many "mafia books" by looking for those authors who actually know what they are writing about: such as persecutors, former chiefs of the D.I.A. or the R.O.S., for instance.
Francesco Forgione wrote one of the best book on the contemporary foreign connections of the three top Italian OC groups (Ndrangheta, Camorra and Cosa Nostra). He included maps, lists as well as all the sources that go back to the Italian Corte D'Assise.
He was the Vice Chairman of the Anti-Mafia Commission in 1996 and again in 2001. He was elected top Chairman in 2006 and led it until 2008.
Forgione works intensively with the Dutch, German, Swiss and UK authorities on the hunt for Italian OC fugitives believed to be hiding abroad. His constant collaboration was key for the capture of Giovanni Strangio, the mastermind behind the Duisburg Massacre, who was arrested in Amsterdam in 2009.
Another book that I enjoyed was A Milano Comanda L'Ndrangheta (Milan is Ruled by the Ndrangheta), a page-turner filled with tons of info concerning the mobbed up activities in the food and construction industries in Italy's economical capital.
Journalists Giuseppe Caruso and Davide Carlucci didn't just end it there. There's even some tiny info of Calabrians working along Chinese gangsters in Milan and in Switzerland, a northern Italian businessman who wanted to be made (he got it) and even some info of few associates working in British Columbia.
And yes, I was talking about all women. I don't know much about the north, admittedly, but in Sicily, NONE of the women change their last name. FACT. It was not allowed by the Italian gov't. If the rules have changed today, I don't know, but the women are still keeping their maiden names. I haven't met one or heard of one that has changed it.
I see. In my honest and truthful personal experience, all women I know who reside around Brescia and in the Mezzojuso-Baucina-Villafrati-Ciminna area in the Palermo province have done it. Maybe that law was changed.
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Re: Do the U.S. and Italy families work together?
[Re: Wilson]
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09/13/12 05:48 PM
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^^ Thank you for your books and authors which you recommend. For me, though, I really have not one bit of interest in learning anything about the mafia. I couldn't even care less about who's boss of the Genovese family, what Merlino is up to today, so on and so on. My interest begins and ends with family and people that I know. That's why I only ever mention the same things and the families over and over. The rest is of no interest to me. But, I'm sure guys on here will appreciate your recommendations. So, thanks.
If the people you know have changed their name, and I don't doubt you, but they haven't done it legally thru the state. It is not allowed. For all legal documents for the state of Italy, you must have your birth name. The ones you know, are using their husband's name, but it is not on legal documents that way. It can't be. Unless it is a double barrel name, such as Messina-Denaro, for example, where the mother's and father's names have been used to not lose the family names.
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Re: Do the U.S. and Italy families work together?
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^^ For me, though, I really have not one bit of interest in learning anything about the mafia. A pity. It's so enjoyable to read about them being put in jail (grabs Carlo Gambino and Tony Accardo by their necks and hits their heads one against another) As one character in an Italian thriller about organized crime said: "seeing them handcuffed at least once makes me feel more alive".
Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: Do the U.S. and Italy families work together?
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09/14/12 02:03 PM
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So what if a made Scilian guy came over here for lets say vacation, and he stepped on the toes of a wise guy in lets say for example the Lucchese's lets say he ripped off a Lucchese wise guy...for the sake of arguement.... would the scilian mob boss's put out a hit on the Lucchese wise guy or would they settle it another way.. how does this relationship work between the 2 crime groups?
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Re: Do the U.S. and Italy families work together?
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I haven't read Mafia Export. I don't read mafia books, never have, never plan on it.
Too bad.
I highly recommend it to anyone who's interested in knowing what goes on across intercontinental borders OC-wise.
I sort the many "mafia books" by looking for those authors who actually know what they are writing about: such as persecutors, former chiefs of the D.I.A. or the R.O.S., for instance.
Francesco Forgione wrote one of the best book on the contemporary foreign connections of the three top Italian OC groups (Ndrangheta, Camorra and Cosa Nostra). He included maps, lists as well as all the sources that go back to the Italian Corte D'Assise.
He was the Vice Chairman of the Anti-Mafia Commission in 1996 and again in 2001. He was elected top Chairman in 2006 and led it until 2008.
Forgione works intensively with the Dutch, German, Swiss and UK authorities on the hunt for Italian OC fugitives believed to be hiding abroad. His constant collaboration was key for the capture of Giovanni Strangio, the mastermind behind the Duisburg Massacre, who was arrested in Amsterdam in 2009.
Another book that I enjoyed was A Milano Comanda L'Ndrangheta (Milan is Ruled by the Ndrangheta), a page-turner filled with tons of info concerning the mobbed up activities in the food and construction industries in Italy's economical capital.
Journalists Giuseppe Caruso and Davide Carlucci didn't just end it there. There's even some tiny info of Calabrians working along Chinese gangsters in Milan and in Switzerland, a northern Italian businessman who wanted to be made (he got it) and even some info of few associates working in British Columbia.
And yes, I was talking about all women. I don't know much about the north, admittedly, but in Sicily, NONE of the women change their last name. FACT. It was not allowed by the Italian gov't. If the rules have changed today, I don't know, but the women are still keeping their maiden names. I haven't met one or heard of one that has changed it.
I see. In my honest and truthful personal experience, all women I know who reside around Brescia and in the Mezzojuso-Baucina-Villafrati-Ciminna area in the Palermo province have done it. Maybe that law was changed. Luan-If you believe that those organizations and RICO have made them "weak" or "dead" I have some swamp land in Arizona to sell you.
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Re: Do the U.S. and Italy families work together?
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05/05/14 12:21 PM
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Here are a few - Deaths Atrributed to Cherry Hill Gambinos -
*Pietro Inzerillo, Jr. - Identified as an associate by LE. was found in the trunk of a car in the parking lot of a Mount Laurel hotel in January 1982.
*Sollena Brothers - Matteo and Salvatore, respectively. Also found in the trunks of cars in the early 80s
Just a few I've counted
another one that the Gambino brothers(along with lorenzo mannino) wound up being convicted for, was Francesco Oliveri. According to Gravano, John Gambino had Oliveri killed because his son killed a member of John G's crew and a distant relative of his Giuseppe Gambino. kinda interesting about the Sollena Brothers murder is that Yogi Merlino was originally arrested for it and the charges were later dropped, and of course Yogi went on to later flip, Yogi told the feds that Guissippi Gambino(john's brother) came to apologize to him about the mix up with him getting charged with the Sollenas murder, merlino also said that Gambino told him that they killed the Sollena brothers for stealing from them and spending all the money they stole in AC casinos.
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Re: Do the U.S. and Italy families work together?
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05/05/14 05:39 PM
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Not that smart. You're reading about it, aren't you? I'm reading about it yes but before that happened they made a good amount of money with this scheme. Did they though? from what i can tell from the press releases and motions filed is that the feds moved in before this scheme got out of the planning stage. don't get me wrong I'm sure these guys were earning in New York, but it seems the only drugs that actually wound being internationally shipped was the brick of heroin that got shipped from italy to the US going to the undercover fed.
"Let me tell you something. There's no nobility in poverty. I've been a poor man, and I've been a rich man. And I choose rich every fucking time."
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