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Do the U.S. and Italy families work together? #665005
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Do the main bosses in the United States answer to the bosses in Italy? How does this work?

Sorry if this is a stupid question. Not really all that educated on this subject.

For example, if a guy fucked up over here bad, would the Italian families have any input on what should happen to him? Would the Italian families ever send someone over from Italy to take care of him?

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The Gambinos have the most connections in italy for us famlies. The Inzerillios are from sicily and are with the Gambinos

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And for the last part i highly doubt that would happen
The families it involved would deal with it

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The American Mafia and the Italian Mafia are completely independent organizations. Obviously, the American Mafia is a descendant of the Italian one. But there is not real direct connection. La Cosa Nostra is a homegrown phenomenon and doesn't answer back to Italy. They do however collaborate together for international rackets and where there are other links they do business.

On another note, there are Italian abroad working for the LCN. The most famous example of course is, like Nucky said, The Cherry Hill Gambinos (Sicilian faction). I would think they are given a degree of autonomy withing the Gambinos but naturally have to answer to the Gambinos while they're in America.

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Yeh American Crime, how many members and associates are there in the Sicilian faction?


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Italians, Sicilians in particular, want nothing to do with the Americans and vice versa. They are independent of one another. Sicilians don't trust anyone but themselves, for one thing.

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Originally Posted By: Wilson
Do the main bosses in the United States answer to the bosses in Italy? How does this work?

Sorry if this is a stupid question. Not really all that educated on this subject.

For example, if a guy fucked up over here bad, would the Italian families have any input on what should happen to him? Would the Italian families ever send someone over from Italy to take care of him?


Not anymore.The Italians dont need the US mob that much,they are more powerful

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Re: Do the U.S. and Italy families work together? [Re: short841] #665190
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Yeh American Crime, how many members and associates are there in the Sicilian faction?

Noone really knows for sure. Cause they're so transient and alot divide their time between NY and Italy, I read. They've been there since the 1970s and deal mainly with the lucrative drug trade. They're an offshoot of the Inzerillo clan so I think there's a deal of collaboration between the two.

A few are:
*Giovanni (John) Gambino - Leader of the Sicilian faction

*Rosario Gambino - Was eventually deported back to Sicily to face drug charges

*Giuseppe (Joseph) Gambino - Youngest brother of the three.

*Erasmo Gambino - Brother-in-law to the Gambino Brothers.

*Frank Cali - While not born in Socily he's widely regarded to be the "ambassador to the Sicilian Mafia". They seem to regard him highly across the Atlantic. Also nephew of John Gambino.

*Dominic Cefalu - Needs no real introduction. He was a former leader of the faction. He's now the boss.

*Rosario Spatola - Salvatore Inzerillo's borther in law. Think he was deported and became a turncoat

*Tommasso Buscetta - Came to America in the 60s. During the 70s and 80s he was reported to associate with the Sicilian Gambinos. Was deported after an arrest in 1983 and then subsequently turned pentito on the Mafia.


Here are a few - Deaths Atrributed to CHG -

*Pietro Inzerillo, Jr. - Identified as an associate by LE. was found in the trunk of a car in the parking lot of a Mount Laurel hotel in January 1982.

*Sollena Brothers - Matteo and Salvatore, respectively. Also found in the trunks of cars in the early 80s

Just a few I've counted

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Thanks for that AmericanCrime. They probably have atleast par to the amount of Bonanno Zip faction.


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Do any families other than the bonnano and gambino have zip factions

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Originally Posted By: AmericanCrime

*Frank Cali - While not born in Socily he's widely regarded to be the "ambassador to the Sicilian Mafia". They seem to regard him highly across the Atlantic. Also nephew of John Gambino.

*Dominic Cefalu - Needs no real introduction. He was a former leader of the faction. He's now the boss.

*Rosario Spatola - Salvatore Inzerillo's borther in law. Think he was deported and became a turncoat


Cali isn't a nephew of Gambino. I know many sites say he is but he isn't. He's Pietro Inzerillo's brother in law. The Pietro Inzerillo that is alive and a member of the Gambino's in NYC.

Dominico Cefalu is the boss of the Gambino's. Dominic is his brother.

Different Rosario Spatola. Not the one related to John Gambino. The Rosario Spatola that is related to Gambino did his time and now lives in NYC.

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Thanks for that Giancarlo. That list was compiled on the spot witha bit of research.

Altho it's clear that I meant Dominico and spelled Dominic as a typo. Cause Is tate he's teh boss of the family.

But yeah I checked it out everything you said is pretty correct.

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I don't know where that started that Cali is a nephew of Gambino, but it's completely false like Giancarlo said.

And if we're really getting picky, it's Domenico Cefalu'. Not Dominic and not Dominico.

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Having one brother named Dominico and another brother named Dominic makes a lot of people get them mixed up. Just wanted people that don't know to understand that they're 2 different people.

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Originally Posted By: carmela
And if we're really getting picky, it's Domenico Cefalu'. Not Dominic and not Dominico.


I do believe your correct on that. My mistake.

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Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Originally Posted By: carmela
And if we're really getting picky, it's Domenico Cefalu'. Not Dominic and not Dominico.


I do believe your correct on that. My mistake.


Also, that other Domenic is his cousin, not brother.


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Originally Posted By: carmela
Italians, Sicilians in particular, want nothing to do with the Americans and vice versa. They are independent of one another. Sicilians don't trust anyone but themselves, for one thing.

^^^^
That's all anyone needs to know. End of thread.


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Originally Posted By: carmela
Also, that other Domenic is his cousin, not brother.

Cousin? Ok, that makes sense. Seemed strange to me that a family would have a Dominic and a Domenico. Thanks for clearing that up.

Another site is confused about Rosario Spatola.

http://mafiatoday.com/general-breaking-news/rosario-spatola-former-mafia-henchman-has-died/

The photo of Spatola is the Rosario Spatola related to John Gambino. But they have it confused. The Rosario Spatola that flipped died. The one related is still alive and in NY.

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Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Originally Posted By: carmela
Also, that other Domenic is his cousin, not brother.

Cousin? Ok, that makes sense. Seemed strange to me that a family would have a Dominic and a Domenico. Thanks for clearing that up.

Another site is confused about Rosario Spatola.

http://mafiatoday.com/general-breaking-news/rosario-spatola-former-mafia-henchman-has-died/

The photo of Spatola is the Rosario Spatola related to John Gambino. But they have it confused. The Rosario Spatola that flipped died. The one related is still alive and in NY.


It's very confusing with the names, for sure, unless you know the family; especially when several cousins share the same name. This is how a lot of wrong info gets out there.


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Any instances of where the US LCN worked overseas for the other side? Carmela has pointed out that the Sicilians probably woulnd't allow it, but what about the Camorra, Ndgraghetta, or the Sacra Corona?

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Originally Posted By: Jimmy_Two_Times
Any instances of where the US LCN worked overseas for the other side? Carmela has pointed out that the Sicilians probably woulnd't allow it, but what about the Camorra, Ndgraghetta, or the Sacra Corona?


Well last time the Sicilians allowed it was in operation Old Bridge 2008 or 2009,remember?


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Jimmy Two Times, In Gomorrah its states brievly Camorra and US LCN. A man named Raffaele Barbato aka Rockerfeller who had gambling houses in New York and made contacts with US LCN. Rockerfeller had helped Augusto La Torre (the mafioso who operated in Aberdeen) sleep somewhere when he was in hiding.


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I was going to add something ive read about few years ago in a news paper,that the Camorra donated or invested money on the place where the Twin Towers used to be(i dont know whats gonna be there next) in NY.So i think that they had to doit with some old connections...maybe not,dont know


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I think the situation between the American Mafia and the Italian criminal gangs is the following : in every group of people that work together, there's one person who's there, who does his job, but gets picked upon. In short, he isn't very welcome.
I think this is also the case with the American Mafia grin

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The Sicilians worked with US guys for operation old bridge only with guys they knew and trusted that were Sicilian. And still... look where it got them. On a daily basis they have no interest in what's going on here in the US, as long as it doesn't affect them. The Sicilians pledge their oath and loyalties to Palermo and nobody else.


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some sicilian and american gangsters are related, thats what mainly mantain links between the two mafia groups
but if a sicilian born zip get power in the states it means was made in the local mafia families and he doesnt' answer to sicily

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If a Sicilian is made in Sicily his loyalties are forever with Sicily whether he ends up in the States or not.


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Like most criminal group's in the world,that are giving an oath before getting in.Oath is big thing,for whatever purpouse

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I was talking with a friend of mine about Cali and if he's blood related to the Gambino's. He told me that Cali's wife is Gambino's niece so that i guess would make Cali his nephew by marriage. But i always heard Pete Inzerillo was Gambino's cousin and since Cali is married to his sister wouldn't that make him Gambino's cousin thru marriage, not his nephew? This shit is confusing as hell. The way these guys inter marry really makes it hard to figure out.

Just wanted to update and say i'm really not sure what the relationship is at this point. But i did read on an italian site that Cali's father was partners with one of the Adamita brothers in a video shop in Brooklyn years ao. All the Adamita's were big heroin guys. Cali's father was never arrested for it but his connection to the Adamita's makes me a little suspicous.

Here is the article on Cali on the Italian news site.

http://www.repubblica.it/2008/01/sezioni...oy-english.html

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Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
I was talking with a friend of mine about Cali and if he's blood related to the Gambino's. He told me that Cali's wife is Gambino's niece so that i guess would make Cali his nephew by marriage. But i always heard Pete Inzerillo was Gambino's cousin and since Cali is married to his sister wouldn't that make him Gambino's cousin thru marriage, not his nephew? This shit is confusing as hell. The way these guys inter marry really makes it hard to figure out.

Just wanted to update and say i'm really not sure what the relationship is at this point. But i did read on an italian site that Cali's father was partners with one of the Adamita brothers in a video shop in Brooklyn years ao. All the Adamita's were big heroin guys. Cali's father was never arrested for it but his connection to the Adamita's makes me a little suspicous.

Here is the article on Cali on the Italian news site.

http://www.repubblica.it/2008/01/sezioni...oy-english.html


Cali' is married to Rosaria and Rosaria is the sister of Pietro Inzerillo. Cali' is no blood relation to the Gambino's.

The other thing that makes all these families in Italy, and coming from Italy, very confusing, is that the women don't change their last name over there, so it's sometimes hard to know if someone is related by marriage and who they're married to over there, unless you know the family. It's almost impossible to piece together.

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