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New Mob Scene #662886
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Re: New Mob Scene [Re: spmob] #662887
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Monacello's potential testimony against Borgesi, Mob Scene

Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello is expected to testify regarding his role as George Borgesi's point man in a book-making and loan-sharking operation. Potential testimony includes alleged boasts by Borgesi claiming responsibility for 11 murders.

http://www.philly.com/philly/video/BC1810820076001.html

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The picture of borgesi waving at the beginning makes him look like a down syndrome hitler.

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Borgesi is fucked. Time to name a new Consigliere.
30 years ago Philly would've wasted this rat. Now...not so much. They aren't finished though, Merlino's got the reins and he'll rebuild things until some of these guys get released.


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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Borgesi is fucked. Time to name a new Consigliere.
30 years ago Philly would've wasted this rat. Now...not so much. They aren't finished though, Merlino's got the reins and he'll rebuild things until some of these guys get released.


They better hope he's lost the John Gotti complex though.

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I think Merlino is going to go for the more old style mafia approach as surely he should be clever enough to realize that his old ways of doing things was how he got what was it? 14 years in prison? But anyway, Yeah Borgesi is probably IMO going to go away in the slammer again for some time, however I don't think the murder charges will stick. There is no recorded evidence and also all they have is the testimony of one guy, who is also not a very good witness didn't the say.

Do you think Merlino will start to build up some crews in Florida whilst also fixing some problems in Philly as well? how much time are these 13 defendants looking at anyway? By that I mean people like Ligambi, Massimino and the other top dogs of the organization.


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Originally Posted By: Antonio
I think Merlino is going to go for the more old style mafia approach as surely he should be clever enough to realize that his old ways of doing things was how he got what was it? 14 years in prison? But anyway, Yeah Borgesi is probably IMO going to go away in the slammer again for some time, however I don't think the murder charges will stick. There is no recorded evidence and also all they have is the testimony of one guy, who is also not a very good witness didn't the say.

Do you think Merlino will start to build up some crews in Florida whilst also fixing some problems in Philly as well? how much time are these 13 defendants looking at anyway? By that I mean people like Ligambi, Massimino and the other top dogs of the organization.


There's a thread discussing this.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=650559#Post650559

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Do you think that the Scarfo era soldiers being released this decade will join the family again?


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A lot of them are already released. Some of the younger guys might. Rumor has it Joe Grande maybe getting back in the fold. Narducci is back in the can again I think for meeting with known felons so maybe he might try as well. I want to see if Merlino's pop ever makes it out the can.

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Ton of heresay in that from bent finger on georgie, not sure how they can wrap that up into the case except from the RICO standpoint, it depends on what the jury will believe, it seems as though he will get time for the gambling charges and a federal sentence on that which is only a state charge, but if the feds claim RICO then Georgie may be done, and the way it is today if he is getting what will basically be a life sentence, due to RICO charges, he may flip majorlly on everyone in Philly....interesting stuff, but sad it comes from that punk

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I could see Borgesi flipping. But if he doesn't all Philly has to do is rebuild and wait four or five years for some of these guys get released. The only thing they gotta worry about is Skinny Joey fucking up again, which I can see him doing. Then again who knows? He may have gotten wiser


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Like somebody said years a go Monacello would have never made it to trial,but things have changed so much I don't even think there is much fear of the mob anymore.There have been articles on this site about the fate of Chris Paciello and in Sunday's NY Post there was a big article about him.This guy put away approximantley 60-70 made guys and a lot of them were bosses and he's walking around Miami with a shirt that says ''The King Is Back''and running restaurants and nite-clubs.If that doesn't tell you the state of the mob today,nothing will.

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you are right that dirtbag in miami is walking around as a marked rat, that is why I see more of the reason for borgesi to flip there is no loyalty

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If Borgesi flips that will deal a very serious blow to the Philly Family. Ligambi's arrest is manageable, but if Borgesi turns then it's lights out.


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I don't think they will ever flip georgie

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Originally Posted By: spmob
I don't think they will ever flip georgie


I value your opinion but why do you say that, he has spent the past decade in federal prison, not sure if he still married but has 2 kids that should be around 16 and 18 and he is definitely going away for at least 5 more....unless he is just instituionalized now....I mean everyone is flipping and saving their butts, if some of this sticks he gets a RICO sentence which means he will die behind bars...a lot is based on heresay from a dirtbag so maybe he rolls the dice and gets off of everything...just from GA the reporting done which may be one-sided, it really seems the government is out to finish them off, and I agree the case is weak, but with the RICO statutes they can take the weak state gambling charge and federalize it and he is done....I dont know the guy, but he will basically have spent 75% of his life in federal prison if convicted, that just seems pretty tough when all around are flipping

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Borgesi has yet to flip in over a year, so I doubt he'll change his mind all of a sudden. He knows what hes up against. Plus he has his uncle, brother and cousin all working in the Philly mob (and he's loyal to Merlino). So he has to weight hurting his own family if he flips.


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Originally Posted By: Ted
Borgesi has yet to flip in over a year, so I doubt he'll change his mind all of a sudden. He knows what hes up against. Plus he has his uncle, brother and cousin all working in the Philly mob (and he's loyal to Merlino). So he has to weight hurting his own family if he flips.


You're right on all accounts. He would never rat and let his family hang out to dry in South Philly. George is not a gangster wannabe, he is the real deal. He like many of the old Scarfo regime knew what they were getting into and always accepted the consequences of going in the can. Guys like Bent Finger are wannabes who rat the second a pety pending imprisonment comes at them.

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He could pull a Massino and roll the dice and go to trial. See what sentence he gets, if he's unhappy with it then call the fbi.


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Rumor is somebody else in the ligambi case took a plea. Anybody know who?

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It's possible Anthony Staino took a deal. He's never been convicted of a crime, he probably faces less time than the other guys so it makes sense he takes a deal that's like 18 months or something


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If it is him there is no way he would be offered 18 months. He's mor like around 4 or 5 years

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I'm thinking maybe a jersey guy

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"Scoops" Licata is Jersey along with his right hand guy Lou Fazzini. It's possible one of them took a deal


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Louie Barretta took the plea. Just a low level bookie
Harsh for a bookie dont you think? 33 to 41 months

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^^^it is harsh, doesnt bode well for those planning to go to trial in my opinion


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Another Philly wiseguy pleads to racketeering

September 06, 2012|BY WILLIAM BENDER, Daily News Staff Writer



















IT COULD BE WORSE for indicted mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi.

His co-defendants are dropping like flies this summer, but at least they're not singing like birds.

Philadelphia mob associate Louis Barretta, 48, pleaded guilty Wednesday to racketeering conspiracy, after last month's guilty pleas of wiseguys Marty Angelina and Gaeton Lucibello. None will testify against Ligambi and seven others scheduled to go on trial Oct. 9.

The indictment does not include any murders, but the racketeering allegations involving bookmaking, extortion and the operation of illegal video-poker machines could carry significant jail time for Ligambi, 73, and other high-ranking mobsters, if convicted.

Story continues below.













Barretta admitted making high-interest loans and operating a sports-betting business. He will be sentenced in November.

The only mobster who has flipped so far is Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello. He pleaded guilty last year and will testify for the prosecution.


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Contact William Bender at benderw@phillynews.com or 215-854-5255. Follow him on Twitter @wbender99.

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A third defendant in a racketeering case targeting the Philly mob has pleaded guilty rather than face trial as reported by William Bender for the Philadelphia Daily News. Reputed mob bookie Louis Barretta yesterday copped to a racketeering conspiracy count, and "admitted making high-interest loans and operating a sports-betting business." Two other defendants, Marty Angelina and Gaeton Lucibello, already have pleaded out of the case. The remaining eight defendants, including reputed boss Joe Ligambi, are slated for trial in October.

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So far only one has flipped, and he apparently was insignificant enough so no one else has. But if a bookie is getting 3 years I hate to think what Ligambi is gonna get


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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
So far only one has flipped, and he apparently was insignificant enough so no one else has. But if a bookie is getting 3 years I hate to think what Ligambi is gonna get


What exactly is Ligambi being charged with i've not been following this case at all?

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