Tell me about it, I stopped reading it a while back. Somebody posted about the gun laws in Europe being tight, whilst in Britain that may be true, that is certainly not the case in other European countries. In Italy, it's very, very common for a household to have some kind of gun and since Italy despite what people think, is a very lawless country it wouldn't surprise me. Britain the most violent in Europe? After this years holiday to Italy I would rather walk around Brixton, London naked shouting "I hate Blacks" than even step foot into some of the dodgy areas of Milan; and Milan isn't even that bad compared to somewhere like Scampia, Naples.

Thanks for these contributions everyone though, they mean a lot.

Good luck with the Brixton scenario

milan is very quite compared to london, the worst areas in milan are quarto oggiaro, baggio, rozzano and comasina, mostly populated by southern italians but they are run by mafias than gangs like london

Unfortunately they do blow things out of proportion. It's due to our size, our media feel the need to make a mountain out of a molehill in what I can only speculate is a pissing contest with other countries of larger mass.

On a side note: The UK's crime rate is going to be considerably smaller than that of the US due to the astronomical difference in population.

Finally, the indigenous of the UK are more violent than the foreign influences. We have a number of organized criminal gangs (this term is used loosely) who routinely practice violence. We have a large biker gang following, Football hooliganism, the London firms, smaller gangs in other major cities, and the Scottish have their own brand of criminal gangs who are incredibly violent, most of which are 80%-90% indigenous membership.

Unless you run into a British equivalent of Zeus from Die Hard With A Vengeance, you're fucked on that score
Didn't know Milan was this bad though...
Napels on the other hand, is damn gnarly

Yeah, the book I mentioned 'Judas Pig' contains some stuff that made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. It's about a Firm from Canning Town. Some seriously twisted stuff.

No one is saying violent crime never happens in Britain. Violent crime happens everywhere even Norway as we saw last year. Doesnt mean it happens on near the scale in Norway as it does in the USA. Like I said show us some stats, not an article with a single reporters opinion. When a countries police force doesn't carry guns you will have a hard time convincing people it is a violent country.

It's widely known that violent crime happens a lot in Britain and for the record much more than in any other Western European country. Not as much as in the USA, agreed. But I don't understand why you keep whining about that topic.
By the way, the Daily Mail might blow things out of proportion but they still give what you call 'stats'. If that aren't stats, I don't know what are.

Certain divisions of HM Police force are licensed to carry and use firearms. Although many divisions have been deployed with modern non-lethal weapons (CS Spray, Tazers, Stun Gun etc.) there are still many who carry firearms.

So in other words many divisions don't carry firearms? Enough said.

I'm from Manchester, don't buy into the hype, UK is really not bad at all in the grand scheme of things, Manchester had 34 homicides for the whole of 2011. London for the 2010-11 period had 136. This makes Britain amongst the lowest homicide rates in Europe and the world. And yeah the daily mail is a joke of a newspaper, everyone in Britain knows this. Stick to the Times or the Guardian to cut through the hype.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/murder-ra...se-6555737.html

Perhaps the British government was smart enough to ban firearms before our students started shooting our comprehensive schools up.

And a lot of the killings that happen seem to be gang-related. So yeah, maybe not as bad as I thought...
But in newspapers in general do blow things out of proportion. If you were to believe the Belgian newspapers, Brussels is the single most dangerous city you will ever visit. Which is complete bullshit.

It may not be common for the police to carry guns but there have been some instances.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/...ngsters-1.65866

This happened around the corner from my house. Also the London riots started because the police shot some guy dead.

Is Glasgow really that bad as they want you to believe. It seems the only thing you hear from that city are knife stabbings among teenagers or crime clans at war like the Daniel and the Lyons clan.

Its bad for drug use, heroin to be specific...

wasn't that where trainspotting was filmed?

It's not as bad as before in the early 2000s it was called the murder capital of Europe which maybe bs regardless though the murder rate has dropped dramatically. As Nicky said one of our big problems is Heroin use.

That was Edinburgh .

The Camorra has a small crew based in Aberdeen lead by Antonio La Torre. The London "Kray Family" also has connection's within Lucchese's with Carmine Tramunti.

You have alot of Italian's in Edinburgh.

I already said the Aberdeen thing. Where did you hear about the Krays and Lucchesses?

My father worked in the underworld in London even though I was born in America. He told me he did Racket's with their Uncle's and once met them still has strong connection's with the new people in London. He told me Lucchese's and The Kray's worked together in shipping Alcohol.

Well sorry but i can't take you're word for that i've never heard any connections between the Krays and LCN. Also the Krays were jailed just a year after Carmine became boss.

Tramunti was a member before he was a Boss LOL.

Dont have to take my word, I understand. Kray's also had power with other Familie's in America to help build their Empire.

I also don't think any gangster from the Krays' era is still running around in London. Frankie Fraser and Charlie Richardson are still alive, but they absolutely loathed the Krays.

Fair enough i thought you meant when he was boss. I still don't believe they were working with LCN though .

I apologize just found this saying they met up with Angelo Bruno .

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/gangsters_outlaws/mob_bosses/kray/time_14.html

Dont apologize, I didnt know Ronnie met with Joey Gallo and Philly Angelo Bruno. Something, I'll need to ask him about.

Ask who about ?

Ronnie Kray ? Good luck with that...the guy died 17 years ago