In 5 years wstch bostob be at the helm

It's why I listed the Patriarca Family so low in the first place. They barely have anyone on the street (around 30), let alone a boss. I ranked Detroit higher because they have a stable structure, guys on the street, and they're hard to infiltrate.
I don't think Detroit is as 'active' as the Patriarca Family, but they're certainly stronger and making more money.

I didnt say detroit make more than the partraica but they do get the fair share and running you have to rmember camarel half of detroit gangsters for years now are sons and nephews through marriage or plane setting the marriage through mab affialation and long time members thats why there so tight and secretive and the other reasons are most of them are college grads with degrees and business legit businesses that covers up the gambling extortion union you know and if you didnt with all those fortune 500 and smart viscious wiseguys they stick to traditional ways of living omerta gamblin extorting union busting prostition .... See what happened to hoffa and you wonder why there so low key

thats the problem with these kinds of threads, nobody really knows for sure. as far as detroit is concerned, i really don't know much about them so i tend to take the word of scott d as he has researched them more than anyone else on here. scott, if you read this maybe you should start a thread "detroit family: myths, facts and realities" that goes into detail about detroit from how many made men, current operations/territory ect as its just one of those families where everything is unclear. it seems like there is always endless speculation on the midwest families like detroit, chicago and even to a lesser extent KC.

as far as detroit goes, as i said i'm not very familiar with them. my hypothesis would be that they are a small tight-knit family that is active but not even on the level of say philly or new england. sometimes on here i think secrecy gets confused with powerful. if a family is into many different rackets and make tons of money, that means exposure. are some families better at keeping things under the radar? yeah, but only to an extent.

im not in any way comparing detroit to the genovese family but everyone always talks about the secretive nature of that family, and that is true as compared to the other ny families to an extent but the fact remains there are a constant stream of cases involving them. my point being, that while you can certainly operate in a low key way, if you are involved in massive amounts of criminal activity there will be cases made against you. now i'm not saying the feds know everything, but the amount of cases brought against a family is generally a good barometer of the amount of activity that they are involved in.

again this is mostly speculation on my part so hopefully scott can help shed some light on detoit.

I can see Detroit fading away along with Buffalo (if they haven't already). Chicago's been in decline since the eighties.
But I can't forsee at any point in the future the FBI getting rid of the five families. They're too solidly entrenched in New York. I could see NJ, New England and Philly all fizzling out.
But you don't get rid of a Family like the Genovese's in a decade or even fifty years. Even the Colombo's will be difficult to eradicate.

no doubt that the Gambinos and Genovese are more powerful but i'd compare chicago to the other 3

No way their equal with philly and ne with all the indicments recently. Equal to Luchesse

seems like some people underestimate them. Your opinion but i'd compare them to Bonnano/Luchesse

Well there is a chart proving everyones 28 made men theory wrong

seems like some people underestimate them. Your opinion but i'd compare them to Bonnano/Luchesse

In terms of activity I agree with Camarel it's moderate, which is why they have so many people on the street in the first place. But it's possible they have more than 28 guys. That article was in 2007, they could've made a dozen or more since then.