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Re: State of the Families [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #663000
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In 5 years wstch bostob be at the helm


raymond l.s.patrairca sr to u.s. state committee- " if i didnt have my case coming up ill to come back in here with two gentlemen and when this is over with and really lay down the law, yous guys been giving me nothing but alot of hookwhick and i wish i wasnt on trial and have this case and really tell the united states whats going on "
Jerry Anguilo on wartime with winter hill - " If we got to war we got Joe Russo and the maverick boys so we have nothing to worry about they can go to vietnam and come back untouched "
Re: State of the Families [Re: Joerusso] #663001
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Originally Posted By: Joerusso
In 5 years wstch bostob be at the helm

Unless the Feds kick them while they're down. I thought Providence was stronger than Boston


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Re: State of the Families [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #663030
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
It's why I listed the Patriarca Family so low in the first place. They barely have anyone on the street (around 30), let alone a boss. I ranked Detroit higher because they have a stable structure, guys on the street, and they're hard to infiltrate.
I don't think Detroit is as 'active' as the Patriarca Family, but they're certainly stronger and making more money.


Detroit is not stronger or making more money than NE there's basically no activity or active guys there . . Please dont give me that Detroit are just that good at secrecy crap because it's not the way it works nowadays .

Re: State of the Families [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #663048
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Pat is within the relm of NE, there is more money to be made than theree is in Detroit by far.(unless obama is gonna send then some)

Re: State of the Families [Re: danielperrygin] #663082
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I didnt say detroit make more than the partraica but they do get the fair share and running you have to rmember camarel half of detroit gangsters for years now are sons and nephews through marriage or plane setting the marriage through mab affialation and long time members thats why there so tight and secretive and the other reasons are most of them are college grads with degrees and business legit businesses that covers up the gambling extortion union you know and if you didnt with all those fortune 500 and smart viscious wiseguys they stick to traditional ways of living omerta gamblin extorting union busting prostition .... See what happened to hoffa and you wonder why there so low key

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raymond l.s.patrairca sr to u.s. state committee- " if i didnt have my case coming up ill to come back in here with two gentlemen and when this is over with and really lay down the law, yous guys been giving me nothing but alot of hookwhick and i wish i wasnt on trial and have this case and really tell the united states whats going on "
Jerry Anguilo on wartime with winter hill - " If we got to war we got Joe Russo and the maverick boys so we have nothing to worry about they can go to vietnam and come back untouched "
Re: State of the Families [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #663083
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Joeshmo u right in a sense its not that prov faction is more powerful but there smaller and more old school with politcal ties that are strong not easily exposed compared to boston and boston is wider more assocaites and wannabes theres revere east boston north end and couple other plaxes in amd right outside the city opposse to rhode island the one city state they call it and prov at one time was hard to inflatrate that to the late great ray sr. and being boston guy rich in historyamd alot of pure gangsters to the core 80%..but anguilo set a trend of accepting lack of respect amd discpling not through traditiobal mob ways but ways that start a trend of those outside the family with little or no ties do whatever to shockwave the administration and it took years to change that in boston where now respect is a must to even be in the same breathing room as family members or close assocaites of the familia


raymond l.s.patrairca sr to u.s. state committee- " if i didnt have my case coming up ill to come back in here with two gentlemen and when this is over with and really lay down the law, yous guys been giving me nothing but alot of hookwhick and i wish i wasnt on trial and have this case and really tell the united states whats going on "
Jerry Anguilo on wartime with winter hill - " If we got to war we got Joe Russo and the maverick boys so we have nothing to worry about they can go to vietnam and come back untouched "
Re: State of the Families [Re: Joerusso] #663092
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Originally Posted By: Joerusso
I didnt say detroit make more than the partraica but they do get the fair share and running you have to rmember camarel half of detroit gangsters for years now are sons and nephews through marriage or plane setting the marriage through mab affialation and long time members thats why there so tight and secretive and the other reasons are most of them are college grads with degrees and business legit businesses that covers up the gambling extortion union you know and if you didnt with all those fortune 500 and smart viscious wiseguys they stick to traditional ways of living omerta gamblin extorting union busting prostition .... See what happened to hoffa and you wonder why there so low key


I was responding to joeschmo not you that's why i quoted him. The reason you don't here much about them is not because of they're amazing secrecy that somehow they can only achieve .It's actually because there's barely any activity .

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Re: State of the Families [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #663093
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Yeah, you barely hear anything about the Partnership. Which is strange, because I thought they had the name of being pretty brutal compared to some other families.

Re: State of the Families [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #663189
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None of us can really know. But unless the Feds indict them again, I'd say that Detroit is viable, but not as active as the Northeast or Chicago. We all have beat Detroit to death so I'll end it with this: you can only speculate.


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Re: State of the Families [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #663195
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thats the problem with these kinds of threads, nobody really knows for sure. as far as detroit is concerned, i really don't know much about them so i tend to take the word of scott d as he has researched them more than anyone else on here. scott, if you read this maybe you should start a thread "detroit family: myths, facts and realities" that goes into detail about detroit from how many made men, current operations/territory ect as its just one of those families where everything is unclear. it seems like there is always endless speculation on the midwest families like detroit, chicago and even to a lesser extent KC.


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Re: State of the Families [Re: Five_Felonies] #663197
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Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
thats the problem with these kinds of threads, nobody really knows for sure. as far as detroit is concerned, i really don't know much about them so i tend to take the word of scott d as he has researched them more than anyone else on here. scott, if you read this maybe you should start a thread "detroit family: myths, facts and realities" that goes into detail about detroit from how many made men, current operations/territory ect as its just one of those families where everything is unclear. it seems like there is always endless speculation on the midwest families like detroit, chicago and even to a lesser extent KC.

What's your personal take on it?


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Re: State of the Families [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #663202
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as far as detroit goes, as i said i'm not very familiar with them. my hypothesis would be that they are a small tight-knit family that is active but not even on the level of say philly or new england. sometimes on here i think secrecy gets confused with powerful. if a family is into many different rackets and make tons of money, that means exposure. are some families better at keeping things under the radar? yeah, but only to an extent.

im not in any way comparing detroit to the genovese family but everyone always talks about the secretive nature of that family, and that is true as compared to the other ny families to an extent but the fact remains there are a constant stream of cases involving them. my point being, that while you can certainly operate in a low key way, if you are involved in massive amounts of criminal activity there will be cases made against you. now i'm not saying the feds know everything, but the amount of cases brought against a family is generally a good barometer of the amount of activity that they are involved in.

again this is mostly speculation on my part so hopefully scott can help shed some light on detoit.


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Re: State of the Families [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #663204
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very insightful thank you


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Re: State of the Families [Re: Five_Felonies] #663205
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Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
as far as detroit goes, as i said i'm not very familiar with them. my hypothesis would be that they are a small tight-knit family that is active but not even on the level of say philly or new england. sometimes on here i think secrecy gets confused with powerful. if a family is into many different rackets and make tons of money, that means exposure. are some families better at keeping things under the radar? yeah, but only to an extent.

im not in any way comparing detroit to the genovese family but everyone always talks about the secretive nature of that family, and that is true as compared to the other ny families to an extent but the fact remains there are a constant stream of cases involving them. my point being, that while you can certainly operate in a low key way, if you are involved in massive amounts of criminal activity there will be cases made against you. now i'm not saying the feds know everything, but the amount of cases brought against a family is generally a good barometer of the amount of activity that they are involved in.

again this is mostly speculation on my part so hopefully scott can help shed some light on detoit.


That's exactly what i believe i think thhey're not as large or active as Chicago,Ne,Philly maybe even Nj.

Re: State of the Families [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #663234
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I can see Detroit fading away along with Buffalo (if they haven't already). Chicago's been in decline since the eighties.
But I can't forsee at any point in the future the FBI getting rid of the five families. They're too solidly entrenched in New York. I could see NJ, New England and Philly all fizzling out.
But you don't get rid of a Family like the Genovese's in a decade or even fifty years. Even the Colombo's will be difficult to eradicate.


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Re: State of the Families [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #663235
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I can see Detroit fading away along with Buffalo (if they haven't already). Chicago's been in decline since the eighties.
But I can't forsee at any point in the future the FBI getting rid of the five families. They're too solidly entrenched in New York. I could see NJ, New England and Philly all fizzling out.
But you don't get rid of a Family like the Genovese's in a decade or even fifty years. Even the Colombo's will be difficult to eradicate.

Chicago is not even close to being done. They'll last longer than the the Colombos which wouldn't happen for a looooonnngggg time

Re: State of the Families [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #663238
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Never said they were close. But they're not as strong as New York. They are more structured, disciplined, and successful than let's say the Colombo's, but in terms of numbers they don't match any of the NYC Families.


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Re: State of the Families [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #663239
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IMHO, the Patriarca's have more members and activity than Detroit. I dont want to get into another countless debate about it (use the search function and see old threads). I dont think there is much OC activity going on in Detroit. I think Philly is much more active.


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no doubt that the Gambinos and Genovese are more powerful but i'd compare chicago to the other 3

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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
no doubt that the Gambinos and Genovese are more powerful but i'd compare chicago to the other 3


Imo they're below the NY families and equal with Philly and NE. It seems that's the FBIs stance on it also.

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No way their equal with philly and ne with all the indicments recently. Equal to Luchesse

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maybe a little less than luchesse but comparable

Re: State of the Families [Re: NickyEyes1] #663264
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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
No way their equal with philly and ne with all the indicments recently. Equal to Luchesse

Lucchese's are much stronger than the Outfit. They pass the Bonanno's and Colombo's in terms of organization at the top, but they don't have the numbers they used to.
Chicago isn't on its way out by any means. I'd rank them the most powerful Family outside of New York. But they're not as powerful as the Lucchese Family.


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seems like some people underestimate them. Your opinion but i'd compare them to Bonnano/Luchesse

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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
seems like some people underestimate them. Your opinion but i'd compare them to Bonnano/Luchesse


If you're going to make bold statements like that please provide some statistics to back up your argument.


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Well there is a chart proving everyones 28 made men theory wrong

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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Well there is a chart proving everyones 28 made men theory wrong


Made by a random guy on the internet no thanks i think i'll trust the FBI the organization that's job is to investigate them i agree they're not on their way out but they're a mid level family with max 50 made men and low to moderate activity .

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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
seems like some people underestimate them. Your opinion but i'd compare them to Bonnano/Luchesse

No it's you and many others on this site alot of the time from Chicago overestimating them.

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In terms of activity I agree with Camarel it's moderate, which is why they have so many people on the street in the first place. But it's possible they have more than 28 guys. That article was in 2007, they could've made a dozen or more since then.


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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
In terms of activity I agree with Camarel it's moderate, which is why they have so many people on the street in the first place. But it's possible they have more than 28 guys. That article was in 2007, they could've made a dozen or more since then.


That's why i said max 50 and if that's the case they're still nowhere near the Colombos never mind the Lucchesses who are both estimated at 100 or more made men

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