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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: Tonymtl] #662444
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Originally Posted By: Tonymtl
Hi Carmela. Don't know much about guiseppe but a lot about agostino.


Very well then, thanks anyway. wink


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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662445
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Rivalry between French and Italians in Montreal? Don't get that in the northeast. Also better for the Family if Vito is in control?


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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: Tonymtl] #662446
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All I could tell you is to stay tuned to Montreal. There's gonna be a lot of action in the next year.

Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: Tonymtl] #662449
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Originally Posted By: Tonymtl
123 schmo I'm not rooting but I was very curious to see what sal was all about. His story as a boss from new York drew many curiosities here in Montreal. Just didn't like the fact that a French pepper killed an Italian. This left a sour taste in my mouth.

Is there a rivalry between the French and Italians in Montreal? Don't get that in the northeastern USA. Also will the Family be stable now with Vito coming back?


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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #662450
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Not a rivalry. Just personally don't really like French quebecers. P.s Desjardins is dimaulos brother in law.

Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: Tonymtl] #662453
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Apparently Vito's close family are beginning to resurface. They haven't left that's for sure.

Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662457
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Tony do us all a favr and keeps us in the lop my friends, let us know.what ya hear when ya hear it, ya know what i mean? Thanks for all the info bud.

Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: danielperrygin] #662459
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I will. Thanks.

Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662462
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Yeah definitely. I didn't know what the fuck was going on in Montreal until you came in. Much obliged man


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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: Tonymtl] #662466
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Don't forget that old man arcuri was with violi/ cotroni before rizzuto takeover and giacinto is very close with ndrageta of Ontario. Old man arcuri accepted the rizzuto transition but never betrayed violi. Rumors were that he would be handed st.leonard from violi after his death but instead went to [BadWord]. Point is they were passed over. They weren't even given more power after Vito went to jail. They were still part of the giving end and not receiving end. They weren't part of the consenza bar consensus of Arcadi/Renda/rizzuto etc.. They wanted power and felt it was their time. It wasn't about money because they have millions. Especially in construction and real estate.


That's very accurate and sounds most familiar to what some people in Montreal have told me. It also proves the conflict has been two-fold and what were seeing now is a battle for what's left.

I still don't think Vito will be come back alive

Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: Tonymtl] #662468
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Originally Posted By: Tonymtl
Point is they were passed over. They weren't even given more power after Vito went to jail. They were still part of the giving end and not receiving end.


Domenico Sr. was awarded Violi's ice cream businesses, which I'm sure added a big revenue to his finances.

Anyway, if you think they killed his son, what do you know about Tony Mucci's role? Tony Magi, who is thought to have been behind the murder, has a bodyguard who shared the same residence with one of Tony Mucci's bodyguards. This made me believe Mucci was part of the conspiracy as well.

Also, how did the Cun trera family in Toronto (Big Joe) reacted to Agostino's death? Were they consulted beforehand? And has Joe Renda's murder have anything to do with Agostino's murder? Apparantly, Renda had a meeting with a Cun trera shortly before he disappeared.

Whether what you say is true or not, it seems like you have your ear to the street.


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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: Sonny_Black] #662475
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Point is they were passed over. They weren't even given more power after Vito went to jail. They were still part of the giving end and not receiving end.


Domenico Sr. was awarded Violi's ice cream businesses, which I'm sure added a big revenue to his finances.

Anyway, if you think they killed his son, what do you know about Tony Mucci's role? Tony Magi, who is thought to have been behind the murder, has a bodyguard who shared the same residence with one of Tony Mucci's bodyguards. This made me believe Mucci was part of the conspiracy as well.

Also, how did the Cun trera family in Toronto (Big Joe) reacted to Agostino's death? Were they consulted beforehand? And has Joe Renda's murder have anything to do with Agostino's murder? Apparantly, Renda had a meeting with a Cun trera shortly before he disappeared.

Whether what you say is true or not, it seems like you have your ear to the street.


Italgelati is only but a small portion of what the Arcuri's really wanted and like he said, they weren't part of the Mafia elite in Montreal. They had to kick up to the Consenza boys like everybody else did, even though they had some privileges.

Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: eurodave] #662476
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I agree.

Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662477
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Sonny is another one that is absolutely on the ball with all goings on in Montreal, past and present.

And Sonny your question about Agostino/Giuseppe were my curiosity as well.


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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662478
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Rumor is: mucci, di Maulo, vanelli, magi, gallo will be dealt with.

Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: Tonymtl] #662480
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Originally Posted By: Tonymtl
Rumor is: mucci, di Maulo, vanelli, magi, gallo will be dealt with.


any reprisals in Ontario?

Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: eurodave] #662483
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Apparently agostino knew for about a year that there was a contract on him. He had a very hard time living under protection. The guy never had a bodyguard with him since the 70's. He knew the end was near. The problem with the Rizzutos was that they had no muscle at the time of the killings. They were weak and surrounded by a spoiled rich younger generation. There street soldiers were in prison from the 2005 roundup. Whoever wanted st.leonard and more had to take him out. That was his town.

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Originally Posted By: Tonymtl
Apparently agostino knew for about a year that there was a contract on him. He had a very hard time living under protection. The guy never had a bodyguard with him since the 70's. He knew the end was near. The problem with the Rizzutos was that they had no muscle at the time of the killings. They were weak and surrounded by a spoiled rich younger generation. There street soldiers were in prison from the 2005 roundup. Whoever wanted st.leonard and more had to take him out. That was his town.


Yes, but why was Giuseppe nowhere to be found? And even during the funeral, he wasn't present. Somebody close had to have sanctioned Agostino's hit, no?


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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662485
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Acuris /sal took him out. St .leonard is the base of importance for Montreal.

Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662486
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Another thing. Arcuri sr. Brother in law is nicolino alfano who was capo/consigliere for bonnano family in mid 70's.

Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: Tonymtl] #662488
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Originally Posted By: Tonymtl
Apparently agostino knew for about a year that there was a contract on him. He had a very hard time living under protection. The guy never had a bodyguard with him since the 70's. He knew the end was near. The problem with the Rizzutos was that they had no muscle at the time of the killings. They were weak and surrounded by a spoiled rich younger generation. There street soldiers were in prison from the 2005 roundup. Whoever wanted st.leonard and more had to take him out. That was his town.


It seems like we are getting somewhere, although I don't take things for granted easily. For me what you say are still theories, but they sound viable. I hope you don't mind me being skeptical, but what you say sounds believable and interesting.

Who do you think is behind Lorenzo LoPresti's murder? It seems like he was one of Montagna's lieutenants, the other one being Pietrantonio. And I would guess Desjardins' crew was responsible for his murder as a reprisal for the attempt on Desjardins a month earlier. But what is confusing is that LoPresti's visitation took place at Loreto. Could it be that the Renda and Rizzuto families weren't aware of his collaboration with Montagna at the time? And were does Pietrantonio now stand?


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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: eurodave] #662489
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Originally Posted By: eurodave
Italgelati is only but a small portion of what the Arcuri's really wanted and like he said, they weren't part of the Mafia elite in Montreal. They had to kick up to the Consenza boys like everybody else did, even though they had some privileges.


Makes sense. I remember you were talking about the Arcuris when you were first here.


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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: Sonny_Black] #662491
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Very good subject you brought up. I've been confused on for months on lopresti and Suzuki. But apparently it was said that sal before he was killed was meeting with lopresti and Suzuki a few times. Sal was trying to convince them to transition into the new side from the Rizzutos. What I really know is that joe collapelle who was killed a few months ago was spying on Suzuki, lopresti meeting with sal on behalf of Desjardins. Police have this info through text messages.

Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: carmela] #662492
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Originally Posted By: carmela
Originally Posted By: Tonymtl
Apparently agostino knew for about a year that there was a contract on him. He had a very hard time living under protection. The guy never had a bodyguard with him since the 70's. He knew the end was near. The problem with the Rizzutos was that they had no muscle at the time of the killings. They were weak and surrounded by a spoiled rich younger generation. There street soldiers were in prison from the 2005 roundup. Whoever wanted st.leonard and more had to take him out. That was his town.


Yes, but why was Giuseppe nowhere to be found? And even during the funeral, he wasn't present. Somebody close had to have sanctioned Agostino's hit, no?


I also wonder the same. Cun-trera was related to the Cun-trera-Caruana clan back in Toronto so they must of known this was coming since Giacinto Arcuri was close to Ndrangheta members.

Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662493
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Originally Posted By: Tonymtl
Very good subject you brought up. I've been confused on for months on lopresti and Suzuki. But apparently it was said that sal before he was killed was meeting with lopresti and Suzuki a few times. Sal was trying to convince them to transition into the new side from the Rizzutos. What I really know is that joe collapelle who was killed a few months ago was spying on Suzuki, lopresti meeting with sal on behalf of Desjardins. Police have this info through text messages.


Also, Pietrantonio and LoPresti were seen meeting with a street gang leader in Little Italy last year. Speculation is that they were setting up new drug dealing arrangements, which indicates that they had alligned with the new regime. My take on this is that they were possibly representing Montagna.


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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: Sonny_Black] #662494
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I heard they were told to slow down and wait to see what happens with Vito.

Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662496
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Isn't there a thing going on where Vito could be shipped off to Italy for other charges there?


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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #662498
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Won't stick. Even if he does. Revenge will go on. That's what I heard. Don't forget about his and [BadWord] close family. Still active.

Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662499
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More bloodshed in Montreal on its way then? Can Vito rebuild his organization to what it once was?


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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #662500
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Don't know. But he could easily rebuild better than what the new factions did. He will set the landscape for the new generation. The city was much more organized and safer under his wings. Even the cops know that. Well have to wait and see.

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