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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: Sonny_Black] #662114
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
I agree. Seems likely.

With Asaro or Vinny TV?

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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662116
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RIZZUTO family vs Arcuri/dimaulo and co. That's what's happening.
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
I agree. Seems likely.

With Asaro or Vinny TV?


Both.

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RIZZUTO family vs Arcuri/dimaulo and co. That's what's happening.


You think the Arcuris are with Di Maulo?

"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662286
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I spoke with a Sicilian friend of mine and he mentioned betrayal amongst Sicilians and how times were better under the Rizzuto regime.

It seems like Arcuri and friends want to take over everything.
Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662309
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Yes, but various reports, including Mafia Inc. describe that the Arcuris were supporters of Montagna. It seems that they, Montagna, and perhaps Desjardins and Di Maulo conspired against the Rizzutos. Afterwards, the factions Montagna-Arcuri and Desjardins-Di Maulo had a falling out which resulted in Desjardins murder attempt and the murder of Montagna. It is said that since then the Arcuris have been in hiding.

"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662376
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That's correct Sonny and it pretty much correlates to what some of my Sicilian friends have told me.

It seems the conflict in Montreal has been two fold, where the first part was heavily influenced by local and external factors in order to get rid of the Rizzuto heavy hitters.Local players and Ontario got involved to push out senior management.

Like Mafia Inc. claimed, Sicilian factions or actors are now fighting to find one common leader that will lead them and he told me that the Arcuri brothers are hiding as we speak and the alliance between Di Maulo-Desjardins-Mirarchi group and Arcuri-Montagna eroded.
Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662391
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What factor will Vito play when he gets out? I'm sure he'll be out for blood

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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662397
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The table is turning. Rizzutos are regaining strength and gathering there troops. Arcuris are n hiding. Desjardins and co are safer in prison. Gallo accepted being deported as this was safer for him. Dimaulo is nowhere to be found. The new consortium didn't work. The Acuris were the masterminds behind the rizzuto takeover and not sal. They approached sal and promised him heavy returns for his dismembering of the Rizzutos. Sals position didn't sit well with Desjardins and mirarchi. Apparently the Acuris agreed with sals termination. He was supposed to disappear but they botched the plan. Now that New York found out the Acuris lost there bonnano backup and are even afraid of reprisals. The new consortium as made 2 enemies. New York and the Rizzutos.
Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: eurodave] #662399
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Absolutely Correct. This is 100 percent true.
Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662403
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What bothers me is why the Arcuris, who used to be close to the Rizzutos and are from the same hometown, decided to conspire against their paisanos. The older Domenico Arcuri used to be a Rizzuto loyalist. What's his role in all this? Somewhere along the line they must have had a falling out. Maybe Sciascia's murder plays a role? Or the murder of Giovanni Bertolo? His brother is apparantly with the Arcuris. And how about Giacinto Arcuri of Toronto?

"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: Tonymtl] #662408
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Originally Posted By: Tonymtl
The table is turning. Rizzutos are regaining strength and gathering there troops. Arcuris are n hiding. Desjardins and co are safer in prison. Gallo accepted being deported as this was safer for him. Dimaulo is nowhere to be found. The new consortium didn't work. The Acuris were the masterminds behind the rizzuto takeover and not sal. They approached sal and promised him heavy returns for his dismembering of the Rizzutos. Sals position didn't sit well with Desjardins and mirarchi. Apparently the Acuris agreed with sals termination. He was supposed to disappear but they botched the plan. Now that New York found out the Acuris lost there bonnano backup and are even afraid of reprisals. The new consortium as made 2 enemies. New York and the Rizzutos.

So they could be facing heat from New York now? Do the Bonanno's support the Rizzuto's?

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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: Sonny_Black] #662409
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Don't forget that old man arcuri was with violi/ cotroni before rizzuto takeover and giacinto is very close with ndrageta of Ontario. Old man arcuri accepted the rizzuto transition but never betrayed violi. Rumors were that he would be handed st.leonard from violi after his death but instead went to [BadWord]. Point is they were passed over. They weren't even given more power after Vito went to jail. They were still part of the giving end and not receiving end. They weren't part of the consenza bar consensus of Arcadi/Renda/rizzuto etc.. They wanted power and felt it was their time. It wasn't about money because they have millions. Especially in construction and real estate.

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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #662412
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Apparently bonnanos have refused to help further with Acuris given that they feel that Acuris are indirectly responsible for what happened to sal. The infighting. A few nobody's took out a made guy. Rules don't apply anymore in Montreal.
Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662415
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i'm not sure arcuris and even desjardins-dimaulo's are against rizzuto's
i think montagna and the bonannos as a whole planned it
i bet catalano and some other zips are behind it too
Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662418
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I think once Vito gets out he'll sort this mess out. It's seriously messed up in Montreal right now

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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: m2w] #662420
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You're wrong. Everyone in Montreal know as of these last 2 weeks that they ve even plotting against the Rizzutos from the beginning. The story is out and they've already lost face cause the couldn't keep it together.
Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: Tonymtl] #662421
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Originally Posted By: Tonymtl
You're wrong. Everyone in Montreal know as of these last 2 weeks that they ve even plotting against the Rizzutos from the beginning. The story is out and they've already lost face cause the couldn't keep it together.

So the Rizzuto's are back in power?

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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662422
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You're wrong. Everyone in Montreal know as of these last 2 weeks that they ve even plotting against the Rizzutos from the beginning.


almost all what i read are just speculations so far

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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: m2w] #662423
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CSF building firebombed arcuri part owner last week.
Restaurant building firebombed arcuri part owner this week.
New family under attack.
Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #662424
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Not yet. But are back in the saddle that's for sure.
Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662426
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Poor Vito. Imagine losing your dad and your son and you can't do a damn thing about it because you're in the slammer. I mean he's a mobster and I don't condone what he does, but family is family no matter who you are.

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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: Sonny_Black] #662428
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Absolutely right about Bertolo. His death upset many. Especially arcuri and Desjardins.
Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #662429
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Story is that they killed his son so the family could really feel pain and step down immediately due to deep emotional grief and shock. They figured that financially they were extremely stable and with Vito in prison the would head in a changing direction opening the way for new players.
Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662430
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Clearly didn't happen. I don't think Vito's stepping down any time soon.

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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662432
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If sals hit on Desjardins would have succeeded everything would have been different today. Sals death definitely changed the landscape for the new power. I say they were diminished by half. Sal apparently was the muscle. He only started to appear in Montreal e.g. Little Italy 2-3 months before he was killed. Never got to see his full potential. p
Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #662433
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He's not stepping down cause sal is dead and the new factions are weak due to infighting. Perfect time for Vito to react and avenge. Seems like everyone's running scared.
Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662434
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Were you rooting for a side or something?

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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662435
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123JoeSchmo...I don't think Tony is rooting for a side, he just knows what he's talking about, is all.

Tonymtl...what are your thoughts on Giuseppe Cun trera as of today, and with regard to Agostino's murder?

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Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: carmela] #662439
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123 schmo I'm not rooting but I was very curious to see what sal was all about. His story as a boss from new York drew many curiosities here in Montreal. Just didn't like the fact that a French pepper killed an Italian. This left a sour taste in my mouth.
Re: Salvatore Montagna [Re: FrankGaglianoJR] #662442
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Hi Carmela. Don't know much about guiseppe but a lot about agostino.
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