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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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Philly wiseguy pleads guilty, but he's no rat
By William Bender, Philly Inquirer
Friday, August 3, 2012
Don't worry, Philly wiseguys. Gaeton Lucibello isn't pulling a Henry Hill on you.
He won't be taking the stand to tell the jury about the alleged crimes of Philly mob boss Joseph Ligambi and his underlings.
That's because the guilty plea Lucibello finalized Thursday doesn't require him to dish on La Cosa Nostra to receive a little leniency.
"It's a noncooperation agreement," said David Fritchey, chief of the Organized Crime Strike Force in the U.S. Attorney's Office.
Lucibello, 59, admitted to assisting in shaking down a bookie for "street tax" payments and operating two illegal video-poker machines as part of a racketeering conspiracy. He faces up to 30 years in prison, but under the terms of the agreement, he'll likely receive 51 to 63 months at his sentencing in November.
Lucibello previously agreed to a government plea deal, but backed out at the last minute in April and decided to go to trial. The flip-flopping mobster then changed his mind again, even though the current deal apparently isn't much sweeter.
"I think he just needed more time to think about it," a law-enforcement source said. "It's essentially the same thing."
Ligambi and his co-defendants — including high-ranking reputed mobsters Joseph Massimino, Anthony Staino, Marty Angelina and George Borgesi — are set to go on trial in October.
Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello has pleaded guilty and is expected to testify for the prosecution.
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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I love some of the quotes at the bottom of the page after the article, if the jury is split on this like the comments they may just walk I wouldn't count on it. The Government will weed the mob watchers out during jury selection. But time will tell  .
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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08/03/12 07:03 PM
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quite a shock to me too, from what i hear he does not have a rico charge thats why he was able to sever. Any body else you know that is on the streets from that indictment?
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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08/04/12 01:05 PM
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This is one of the reason i think they have a good shot at beating the rico at trial cause of opinions not only on this board but the bottom of the aticle from Lucibellos plea and by people i talk to in bars the charges dont seem to be violent enough for the time they may get. I know that they may get a jury from lancaster or somey hokey fanokey town but still with no violence who knows. In the mean time they spent 30 MILLION and if it goes to trial another 20 million to convict guys that are gambling. Like really, you know how many americans that lost their homes in this economy that they could of helped out or the homeless and starving children they could feed!! And why so some prosecuters can go and chalk up some notches on their belt. Please Please these charges should be state chearges! any way i was in the bar the other day and this guy was saying the same thing and people were agreeing but of course that was south philly
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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08/04/12 04:07 PM
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I disagree with you, you have btw 7 to 10 agents making btw 125 and 250 a year for 13 years and the meter is still going. plus what they pay informants and relocation fees for informants, recordings and theres 15000 of them that the agents and the AG has to go through. How about gas and other expenses that are needed. Plus the specialitsts that they hire and all the analyses they have to do,and all the paper work and courtroom grand jury expenses etc etc ??? Agents dont make six figures (only the higher ups in DC, and the heads of the squads do), they make about 50-60k starting salary since they are on the federal GS pay scale, trust me i know as a former federal worker. Most of the agents out on the street havent been working for the fbi very long hence thats why they are out on the street doing the grunt work. There's not many informants in this case and they have only started cooperating within the past few years so theres not much relocation expenses. With the adevnt of smartphones and new technology it is VERY cheap to have tons of hours of recordings so thats not a big expense. The FBI has in house specialists already on the payroll and if they dont they ask other agencies like the DOJ to assist so youu dont have to hire new people for this case. Paper expenses arent going to be a million dollars either.
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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08/04/12 07:38 PM
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^ Much like the RCMP, you spend your first years in buttfudge nowhere Alberta, where you can watch your dog run away for weeks if you know what I mean.
Okla: Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them?
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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I must respectfully disagree with new agents on the street doing grunt work only (like the Philly LCN cases). From having had a very good vantage point in the past I can assure you that the newer agents get sent to dumps like Cleveland or Denver etc. and break in doing serial bank robberies and things of that nature. Even more are sent to work in smaller areas on paper and white collar type criminal activity. Higher profile cases such as LCN in the larger cities are handled mainly by seasoned agents. Its about stacking their odds in their favor when the court date comes. Once a team and target are established in LCN they usually get a DAG or two assigned to their crew to guide things. Its all about building a case for the courtroom rather than for the arrest. Arrests are a dime a dozen and easily done with minimal efforts and expenditures. Courtroom convictions are not as easy to come by as they cannot control many variables to a great degree.
Newer agents generally cut their teeth on courtroom testimony on much lower end files as far as cases go, Uncle Sam wants their LCN squads to be more experienced with A LOT of courtroom experience and testimony already under their belts.
While it doesn't take all that much in the scheme of things to become a button man in the mob, it takes quite a bit of smarts to become an agent today. Unlike times past, many many many of these young guys and gals were also street cops, and many many many now have also already been CPA's and attorneys. All have college degrees, While they sure aren't perfect, LCN today isn't dealing with any fools.
Remember EVERYTHING UNCLE SAM DOES FROM THE FIRST DAY OF A CASE IS GEARED TOWARDS THE COURTROOM.
Keep the posts coming guys, a lot of us enjoy the reading. By "grunt work" I was referring to new agents who are assigned to a LCN squad whose main responsibilities are to gather intelligence i.e. takepictures, videos, etc which helps build the groundwork for a case. A good example are the two young college grads who laid the groundwork for taking down the Bonannos and Massino using forensic accounting. Seasoned agents are the ones in the office looking at the bigger picture and receiving all the intel from the agents on the street. They are the ones that decide when somebody gets busted, how to strategically steer an investigation to get the desired outcome. I agree it is quite difficult actually to become an agent today. I know a few qualified people personally who were turned down in their own right.
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Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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08/05/12 01:36 AM
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I must respectfully disagree with new agents on the street doing grunt work only (like the Philly LCN cases). From having had a very good vantage point in the past I can assure you that the newer agents get sent to dumps like Cleveland or Denver etc. and break in doing serial bank robberies and things of that nature. Even more are sent to work in smaller areas on paper and white collar type criminal activity. Higher profile cases such as LCN in the larger cities are handled mainly by seasoned agents. Its about stacking their odds in their favor when the court date comes. Once a team and target are established in LCN they usually get a DAG or two assigned to their crew to guide things. Its all about building a case for the courtroom rather than for the arrest. Arrests are a dime a dozen and easily done with minimal efforts and expenditures. Courtroom convictions are not as easy to come by as they cannot control many variables to a great degree.
Newer agents generally cut their teeth on courtroom testimony on much lower end files as far as cases go, Uncle Sam wants their LCN squads to be more experienced with A LOT of courtroom experience and testimony already under their belts.
While it doesn't take all that much in the scheme of things to become a button man in the mob, it takes quite a bit of smarts to become an agent today. Unlike times past, many many many of these young guys and gals were also street cops, and many many many now have also already been CPA's and attorneys. All have college degrees, While they sure aren't perfect, LCN today isn't dealing with any fools.
Remember EVERYTHING UNCLE SAM DOES FROM THE FIRST DAY OF A CASE IS GEARED TOWARDS THE COURTROOM.
Keep the posts coming guys, a lot of us enjoy the reading. I am guessing you have been there which leads me to basically say they have a case against many of these guys under RICO but who cares they caught or have lucibello on really some bs charges, who cares, he beat a dude up and had some poker machines, IMO that doesnt mean RICO, I know he hung around Joey, Georgie, and Uncle Joe but that is just such bs, in the grand scheme of things it just isnt that big of deal
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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08/05/12 10:01 AM
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Salestuff, you think you can put your opinion on a price tag for this 13 year investigation? Merlino, i agree with you this case is all BS. This is what ive been saying the whole time that theres more people doing way more harmful things in society than the charges that they got these guys on. Unless of course they can get some violence out of this than its just not worth it
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