i think everyone on this board will admit that there are still a few guys earning in LA. the problem comes when you've been on the boards for a while and there is just a constant stream of people with "inside information" on a particular family that is based on nothing but loose assumptions and certain people have to constantly answer the same questions and it gets old. thats why its just been easier here to say that a family is viable or not. just remember though, just because a family isn't viable doesn't mean that there isn't a small amount of activity still going on. that seems to be where the confusion is. families like LA, cleveland, tampa, and st louis still have a handful of guys around, but nothing really organized, which is why people here tend to go with viable or non-viable.