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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
[Re: flamingokid123]
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The killing of Testa was the worst. Dam you Joey Punge. I felt the same way at first. But you have to realize, when you think about it. Testa was no angel, and karmically speaking, he had it coming more than the 'reluctant gangsters' like Pat the Cat and Tommy Delgiorno. Whilst he was good for the family, he wasn't good for the city, and often contemplated storming in to rival's houses and slaughtering each family member. He laughed at the Enrico Riccobene suicide, which was an actual tragedy. Pungitore is no good though.
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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
[Re: phatmatress]
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07/16/11 09:31 PM
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i read that vic and gas had plans to kill the entire jersey faction on their family because the "boss" of the jersey faction was not kicking enough up. it was to my understanding taht they tried to summon like 30 guys from jersey all at once to slaughter them. tacetta supposedly ordered them not to go. let me think where i got this from. if im remembering incorrectly i will be the first to admit. but of course just because i read that somewhere and took it to be true doesn't mean that it is....ya know lots of bullshit written. Phat, I watched the National Geographic program "Manhattan Mob Rampage" in which Tommy Ricciardi relates the "whack jersey" story. He makes seem as if he was in charge and made the decision. If I recall, Selwyn Raab relates some of this in 5 Families, and suggests that it was Anthony "Tumac" Accetturo who made the decision not to go to the meeting. I thought that Tumac was in Florida at this time, and appointed Taccetta (his protege) as boss of the Jersey faction. I am just not sure, who was calling the shots at the time. IMO, it was either Taccetta or Accetturo.
Best way to catch the smart ones? Get an idiot working for them.
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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
[Re: TonyG]
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07/17/11 11:42 AM
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GerryLang
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i read that vic and gas had plans to kill the entire jersey faction on their family because the "boss" of the jersey faction was not kicking enough up. it was to my understanding taht they tried to summon like 30 guys from jersey all at once to slaughter them. tacetta supposedly ordered them not to go. let me think where i got this from. if im remembering incorrectly i will be the first to admit. but of course just because i read that somewhere and took it to be true doesn't mean that it is....ya know lots of bullshit written. Phat, I watched the National Geographic program "Manhattan Mob Rampage" in which Tommy Ricciardi relates the "whack jersey" story. He makes seem as if he was in charge and made the decision. If I recall, Selwyn Raab relates some of this in 5 Families, and suggests that it was Anthony "Tumac" Accetturo who made the decision not to go to the meeting. I thought that Tumac was in Florida at this time, and appointed Taccetta (his protege) as boss of the Jersey faction. I am just not sure, who was calling the shots at the time. IMO, it was either Taccetta or Accetturo. From what I've read Taccetta and Accetturo had a major falling out, Taccetta was Aceetturo's protege but started losing power and influence to Accetturo Jr. Amuso and Casso went after Accetturo because he wasn't kicking up enough money to them, Accetturo had a relationship with Tony Ducks similar to the one Harry the Hunchback had with Angelo Bruno. Tommy Riccardi and Accetturo didn't become rats until they lost a case that was going to send them away for decades, which is often over looked.
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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
[Re: JCrusher]
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06/28/12 01:05 PM
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In he words of the dearest departed Rodney King, "Can't We All Just Get Along?" I think in the recent years, we've learned that every murder is a HUGE liability. Rats, wiretaps, forensics…. In my opinion it's much easier to just put a guy "on a shelf". I think the only reason to push a button should be because you caught him with a wire. In that instance it's just a matter of self preservation and preservacione della borgata.
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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
[Re: tiger84]
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06/28/12 11:02 PM
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Roy didnt seem the type to rat he was very similar to thomas pitera I seriously doubt that Pitera was offered a deal.He got convicted of multiple murders so I doubt they'd have let a madman like that ever go free. Probably do like with Casso and let him rat then lock him up for life anyways. As for Demeo, he was a sociopath. He would have ratted given the chance imo. Guys like that, tough or not, always look out for themselves only. From what i've heard they killed him because he was looking at well over 100 years on auto theft alone and he had brought a ton of heat on the Gambino Family with all those missing bodies.
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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
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06/28/12 11:09 PM
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Yes GaryH we agree 100% on this, Roy got the best deal, For Senter and Testa what is the motivation for living? Every day in prison, and they went away at a young age, not like guys like Gotti, Persico, and Nicky Scarfo who at least had a large portion of their life on the outside before it was all over. One of the Gemini twins(sorry but cant remember which) is at the a medium security prison where Persico is. Medium security isn't all that bad. It's still prison, but you can make some friends and watch tv and all that. The ones who got it bad are Casso and Vinny Gorgeous who are in ADX Florence forever. That place is hell.
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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
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06/29/12 01:33 AM
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I sill feel that Sonnie Black was a bad decision. It would have been a worse decision to give him a pass. He might have been old school, a rising star in the family and wouldn't have flipped, but the mistake he made was too big and too public to ever be allowed to slide. The thing to remember is just how precarious things were for the leadership faction. They'd just opened a civil war in the family and there was no way that they could have let Sonny live. Too many questions would have been asked about their judgement and possibly their loyalty. I don't think he would have had a chance without all the faction fighting but with it he had even less.
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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
[Re: TonyG]
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07/24/12 03:01 AM
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Gambino soldiers have been heard lamenting DeMeo's death on wiretap, believing he was killed for nothing. In that sense I think you're right. Paul had the excuse of hitting DeMeo for breaking LCN law within the realm of earnings, but I think the family sensed it was more just 'because I can'. I was under the impression that Roy was almost universally disliked by the rest of the Gambino's. Were the lamenters in the Demeo crew (and where can I read the wiretaps) ? Got it. It took a year (wow), but here you go. Colombo soldier Ralph Scopo on Roy Demeo: " Being that he got picked up, they figure maybe this guy will rat. That's bullshit. But not to take the chance they went and killed him." In chicago, Tony Accardo tried to kill Al Pilotto because he was afraid Pilotto might rat. Accardo had to kill off all the conspirators to make it look like he was still on Pilotto's side. In the end, Pilotto stood up and took his sentence, but not before half the Southside was wiped out, the hitman turned states evidence, and the Calabreses beat one of them to death. It's just shoddy work as far as Chicago goes.
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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
[Re: CarloRizzo]
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07/24/12 04:51 AM
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One of the Gemini twins(sorry but cant remember which) is at the a medium security prison where Persico is. Medium security isn't all that bad. It's still prison, but you can make some friends and watch tv and all that. The ones who got it bad are Casso and Vinny Gorgeous who are in ADX Florence forever. That place is hell.
All USPs are kinda like ADX in one way or another though. Somebody asked, but Pitera is locked up at USP Allenwood.
"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
[Re: CarloRizzo]
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05/20/13 11:03 AM
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bigboy
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Yes GaryH we agree 100% on this, Roy got the best deal, For Senter and Testa what is the motivation for living? Every day in prison, and they went away at a young age, not like guys like Gotti, Persico, and Nicky Scarfo who at least had a large portion of their life on the outside before it was all over. One of the Gemini twins(sorry but cant remember which) is at the a medium security prison where Persico is. Medium security isn't all that bad. It's still prison, but you can make some friends and watch tv and all that. The ones who got it bad are Casso and Vinny Gorgeous who are in ADX Florence forever. That place is hell. \ I believe Senter is at Allenwood Pa and Testa in North Carolina which I think is medium security
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