Yeah. I don't see why he should have ever mentioned the Johnny Gongs murder out loud. But think of how many problems the Jersey Faction has caused over the years, precisely because it was kept too far away from the Philly bosses. Ligambi almost has the right idea, he's just working with the wrong guy as Captain.

I was thinking the same thing when I read that. Why mention a murder from 8 years ago? Just keep your mouth shut, it can only get you into trouble. Feels like Licata was trying to show off to the Gambinos.

I can tell you this much, Jersey and Philly would have been a LOT better if the more tight-lipped Joey Sodano had never been whacked. Ligambi would have found a way to keep Sodano in the picture and get him to pay the regular percent because Sodano would have respected Ligambi's make-money-not-headlines persona. Merlino and Natale had him killed because he had a habit of holding back payments during the Scarfo era and had at one point, backed John Stanfa. Licata inherited the spot. No way Sodano would have mentioned half the stuff Licata did, and if Nicky O takes over after this, he won't either.

I know he's not too credible, but 'Picasso' on the Real Deal at one point claimed Licata was a brokester. The recent articles say he's made millions. Where's the actual estimate?

On another note, once again Michael Lancelotti avoids indictment!

While I don't take what he says over what the feds say (if there's a conflict) most of the time Pic knows his stuff. And he's always talked about how Scoops has amassed a lot of money over the years. I don't recall him saying the opposite.

You're right. Picasso was bragging about calling Scoops a name to his face.

This guy called Scoops as brokester.

very interesting that Lancelotti keeps getting mentioned all over the last 3 indictments and nothing? Are we to assume hes that lucky?

Careful, you're treading on dangerous ground talking about that...

Lets take him to the track and see if he can pick a superfecta

I figured Ranieri was probably a pretty big guy and Staino had him tag along with him so people wouldnt stiff him..

And I, myself, am 25 and just moved out of south philly about a year ago, but my whole family still lives there and it seems like they haven't made many people in Philly lately and the ones who are made are all older. Some of the guys I grew up with that are ages 23-33 are into gambling and loan sharking and everything else but they dont seem to be aligned with Ligambi and all of them. maybe cuz theyre younger or what not but i also heard there was a new younger group in south philly these lately

If there are any young guys i havnt heard of them, and i hardly see any of the guys who are left around anymore

is the 10th and O gang still around?

These younger guys are just doing their own thing and not paying a street tax?

Southphilly, whats the latest on Mazzone, Chang, Lance, Nicodemo... Have you seen these guys around? Is it just them 4 and Sonny Mazzone running things?

Also, be4 the Ligambi clan got taken down where these guys out there? Did you see the whole crew like Mousie, Staino, Uncle Joe, Lucibello, Angelina or were these guys really low key?

10th and O are still around. Not as big as they use to be but they are still around. Dom Grande and the Precopios are from the neighborhood originally and started there.

Also, there are a lot of independents in the city now a days. But if you have something REALLY nice going on, don't thing they won't show up.

I see Sonny all the time outside Quartro during the day. I think he takes horses and other shit there. I think he still owns libations. I see Nicodmeo every once and a while. He is in Real Estate. See him at the bank sometimes. The Merlino crew were always out and more noticeable. The Ligambi guys aren't. Only time ive ever seen Uncle Joe out was down the shore a few years ago. His brother Phil is always out on the beach.

Angelina...a merlino guy....frigin drunk. Sure he would be out and about in Margate if he wasn't right over here and the Fed Dent.

I bet you there is not a day that goes by that the Merlino crew isnt remembering their glory days. Merlino, Mazzone, Angelina, Horsehead and Georgie.. Those guys will never have it the way they did in the 90's.

Ranieri had a fallen out with Staino a few years before they all got pinched. He got married and he left that life behind. He was making no real money with Staino.

And your right about Bobby,he is a pretty big guy. He is no joke. Bobby was Staino's main guy.

From what i here and see out there nobody is out there like in their hey days. I do see Sonny once in a while if i drop by the Broadway bar which is right next to quattro. Sonny is a bartender there and his brother Handsome Stevie is there quite often. Other than that i never see Johnnie Chang anymore since he dont have the news stand on the corner of Chickies and petes. Lance well hes just plain boring, and Nicademo is married with 2 little kids and his hardly ever out. Georgies brother Anthony is always up and down passyunk ave like he owns it. As far as the 10th and O gang they are pretty much all living in jersey and married off and come to the city to work legit jobs. Dont really know what they are into on the side. Most of the young guys were just hanger ons with no real basis on how to make a living. Before the big Ligambi take down,Mousie,Gaeton,and Marty were always around quattro and the broadway and yes Marty was a drunk and got carried out plenty of times

And by the way i never heard Sonny was a made guy does anybody have any info on that?

Yea he is made from what ive heard. I always see Sonny out there over in front of Broadway and Quartro. He takes action there as well. I know his Wife... or ex wife. Not even sure if divorced yet or not offically. They have a son together. He also has an older son with another woman. Hes usually there during the day.

And a lot of guys to live in jersey (Washington Twp) from 10th and O but there are still some in city and still some that go to Cookies. A lot are hanger ons but there are guys who do things...especially drugs. But not like in ther hey day. Im almost positive that two guys from 10th and O were involved in that Borgota case a few years back.

Who you will see out and about is Lance brother Al. hes a drunk to or was one. Is Al lance made?

I never seen Sonny bartend there ever. Only place I seen him bartend...and it was only for a minute is his club Libations back in the day. But that was just cause they were busy. He owns that with another guy whose name i cant remember.

Yes Sonny is a bartender and also has a night club in center city called Libations. Lance being made is not a gurantee but the feds say Scoops is on tape saying that Lance brought Esposito in to get made. Wouldnt he have to be made to do that?

I think spmob, his partners name is Johnnie Fish in that nightclub. If Al Lance is made then its time for the mob to dismantle! This guy is the biggest waste out there living off his uncles name. With this kind of guy around them its wonder why they dont get the respect that they used to

None at all as i havnt really been out there to much. sometimes after these indictments of the Ligambi guys it takes some time before people fill the vacumm

SP old head...yea Al Lance goes Club to Club off his last name getting wasted. Hes a dope. And your right its Johnnie Fish.

Maybe Dom Grande...hes like 32??? Theres guys all over the city who think they are somebody doing some side bookin/sharkin/seeling drugs. idk. Nobody cares anymore. Nobody really gets taxed. I still want to know who the guys Ligambi didn't make that Joey wanted made. Ligambi said he will wait for Joey to come home for them to be made.

Well i dont know about Dom but if Joey wanted to make 3 guys they would of had to off somebody and I havnt heard of anybody offed in a long while. Unless the rules have changed in their world