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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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06/19/12 03:24 PM
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You just cant throw a bunch of mumbo jumbo out and hope it sticks! That's what prosecutors do. That's why there are always so many counts in these mega-mob trials. They really only have to get one or two to stick to put a guy inside for considerable time. Just look at the Tommy Shots trial last month. The Feds have egg on their faces for losing the murder charges, but those guys are still going to get some serious time. When you consider Goeli's health, even ten years can be a death sentence. I suspect the Philly strategy is the same. Charge them with enough counts, and they'll get them for something.
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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06/19/12 05:40 PM
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Oh your right Mousie and Canilichio can get burried. Ligambi only because of his age
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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06/19/12 05:42 PM
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Oh your right Mousie and Canilichio can get burried. Ligambi only because of his age lets not forget george borgesi, the guy has been in jail since i was in middle school (and i just graduated business school), hes looking at some more time as well, any long sentence can also be a death sentence for licata given his age/health who were the guys who had their cases severed from the rest?
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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06/19/12 08:55 PM
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I just looked up the indictment. It would have been the three without the rico charge. Esposito,Vereccio and Ranieri really Esposito? according to transcripts of the licata wiretap he was made at the same ceremony with fazzini which would put him within the racketeering enterprise/rico "During the conversation Licata is reminiscing about a “making” ceremony back in 2007 where Fazzini and others were inducted into the Philadelphia crime family. Licata notes that the ceremony was conducted by Joseph “Uncle Joe” Ligambi and that Fazzini and Eric Esposito a co-defendant in the current racketeering case were made at same ceremony. Licata also states that alleged mob captains Anthony Staino and Michael Lancelotti were also present at the making ceremony, Staino is also a co-defendant in the current case. He also notes five other mobsters including Damion Canalichio were also initiated at a previous making ceremony , Canalichio right before he went to prison. Licata says that then jailed boss Joseph “Skinny Joey” Merlino has proposed three more unknown associates for membership into the family but Ligambi declined to “make” them because he did not know them. Ligambi told Licata that Merlino could do it himself when he gets out of prison."
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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Licata is charged with illegal gambling, sports bookmaking, and also devising a scheme to defraud health benefits obtained through a no-show job controlled by the family for fazzini, more importantly he is charged with being part of a rico enterprise (count one) along with fazzini, and racketeering conspiracy.
The indictment adds Licata and reputed North Jersey mob soldier Louis “Big Lou” Fazzini as defendants and includes two new charges against Ligambi tied to an alleged “no show” job at a South Philadelphia trash disposal company. Ligambi, already facing racketeering charges built around gambling, loansharking, extortion, and the operation of illegal video-poker machines, now is also charged with collecting $224,424 in medical benefits for himself and his family members from a Teamsters Health & Welfare Fund. The “benefit plan” was part of Ligambi’s no-show employment at the Top Job trash company.
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Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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Licata and Fazzini, who were arrested April 26, are the first to face the consequences of Stefanelli’s defection. Both were held for trial at hearings Monday. They were recorded at length at two mob meetings Stefanelli helped set up, each at an unnamed restaurant in North Jersey.
The first, in May 2010, was described as a meeting between leaders of the Gambino crime family and the Philadelphia mob. Ligambi and a top lieutenant, Anthony Staino, a codefendant in the pending case, attended with Licata and Fazzini. The Gambino contingent included Stefanelli and others in that organization, including an individual identified only by his initials but believed to be John Gambino, described in the document as “a caporegime,” a member of the “triumvirate” that oversees the Gambino organization.
The detention memo offers a capsule version of what was discussed, but it is clear that Licata holds court. At one point, he jokes with Ligambi about the 2003 gangland murder of John “Johnny Gongs” Casasanto in South Philadelphia, which remains unsolved.
According to the memo, Licata laughs and tells Ligambi, “At least we finally got to get him!”
At another point, Licata complains that the son of jailed Philadelphia boss Nicodemo “Little Nicky” Scarfo was permitted to be “made,” or formally initiated, into the Lucchese crime family.
“Licata expressed contempt for the action,” the government memo reads, “saying, ‘This is a slap in the face to us.’”
In other conversations, the loquacious Licata discusses mob traditions, gossips about other mob families and their members, waxes philosophical about how mobsters should conduct themselves, and provides a history of the Philadelphia crime family.
“We got to stay with the old rules,” Licata says as he and others talk about attracting members who understood the values of La Cosa Nostra.
“The only way to survive, you need quality, not quantity,” Gambino says.
“Guys made it about the money. It’s not about money. It’s about … brotherhood,” Fazzini then adds.
Licata, who, according to sources, has earned millions working various mob gambits over more than 40 years, agrees. Money, he says, is “the green-eyed monster.”
Law enforcement sources have hinted that the recent indictments are just the first chapter in the Stefanelli saga.
“Stay tuned,” an investigator teased last week.
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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06/20/12 08:26 AM
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i never heard of this robert ranieri guy until this indictment.. has anybody else heard anything about him? it said something about him being with staino collecting money or something so i figured he was just muscle for staino..
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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06/20/12 09:50 AM
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I also dont know those two guys but i do know Esposito, he used to have a little after hours club and i was friends with his father more my age, he did 17 years for drugs and just got out a year and a half ago
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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I also dont know those two guys but i do know Esposito, he used to have a little after hours club and i was friends with his father more my age, he did 17 years for drugs and just got out a year and a half ago How old are you, buddy?
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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06/20/12 09:54 AM
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I know dap but alot of people down here are talking like they are waiting for the other shoe to drop and if it dont happen then its really a weak case!!! I hope that drops on George Anastashia
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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Lets face it guys the mob is not like it used to be, just look at the crimes that are accused in this case. They can be committed by anybody not even associated with organized crime.I am 61 and his father is 67 or so and espositos grandfather used to have a lunchonette in south philly and they had the best homeade ice tea.
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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Lets face it guys the mob is not like it used to be, just look at the crimes that are accused in this case. They can be committed by anybody not even associated with organized crime.I am 61 and his father is 67 or so and espositos grandfather used to have a lunchonette in south philly and they had the best homeade ice tea. YOur right he just did get out of jail. And went straight back to the ward. I've said this before, half the time I went there he'd be asleep at the bar.
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