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Re: Top 15 Crime Bosses and Drug Lords in 2012
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Interesting list. There will be some nitpicking over this, let me tell ya. And ranking John DiFronzo with the 15 most powerful crime bosses in the world ? Come on.
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Re: Top 15 Crime Bosses and Drug Lords in 2012
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I dont know how italian american mafia is ranked in this since that chart of the ten top mafias in the world placed the five families as number ten...
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Re: Top 15 Crime Bosses and Drug Lords in 2012
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This list is a joke.
DiFronzo?
The Juarez Cartel almost went extinct after its war with the Sinaloa Cartel, with half leaving to join the Sinaloa Cartel. Vicente Carrillo Fuentes and the Juarez Cartel are still in business, but have no where near the power or influence as the Sinaloa Cartel or Zetas. Recent reports on Mexico indicate that the Zetas control the most territory.
Just my opinion, but I would have ranked Guzman #1 and Heriberto Lazcano Lazcano #2. I don't know a lot about the European OC gangs, but it seems to me the Mexican Cartels are the most violent and powerful OC gangs operating right now.
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Re: Top 15 Crime Bosses and Drug Lords in 2012
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Just my opinion, but I would have ranked Guzman #1 and Heriberto Lazcano Lazcano #2. I don't know a lot about the European OC gangs, but it seems to me the Mexican Cartels are the most violent and powerful OC gangs operating right now.
It all comes down to territory and where you are. In Europe, among the most violent and powerful are for example the Italians. The Mexicans don't mean much over here. Sure, they do business with the European syndicates, and sure they can send a hit team down here, but in the end, they are guests. Same can be said vice versa. And in the end, it's all a pointless pissing contest.
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Re: Top 15 Crime Bosses and Drug Lords in 2012
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How Guzman isn't number 1 is beyond me. Forbes has him listed as a billionaire and one of the richest men in the world. He engages in political corruption and has a huge organization. Not to mention he has been able to keep himself out of jail. Matteo Mesina Denaro is billionaire too,very powerful and deep in political corruption.Seminon Moglievich even more,u should read some wikileaks reports. I think in a sense we are comparing apples to oranges. Denaro is diversified in his criminal interests while Guzman is strictly into narcotics trafficking.
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Re: Top 15 Crime Bosses and Drug Lords in 2012
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The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration now believes that Joaquìn Guzmàn, the notorious Mexican outlaw known as El Chapo, or shorty, has become the biggest drug lord ever. “Chapo has a vast criminal enterprise and he has become the leading drug trafficker of all time,” says a senior U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration official “With Chapo, he not only has the importation of cocaine, but marijuana, heroin, and methamphetamine, and he is exporting them not only to the U.S. but to Asia and Europe.” Guzmàn protects himself by bribing top Mexican officials and using generous donations to win the battle for the hearts and minds of the people who live in areas in which he operates. Musicians in Mexico sing folk songs about him. http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/...drug-lord-ever/
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Re: Top 15 Crime Bosses and Drug Lords in 2012
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dom cefalu has money like that The list is pretty much nonsense in terms of his rankings. If were talking about Mafia how come Dom Cefalu isn't on the list while DiFronzo is?
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Re: Top 15 Crime Bosses and Drug Lords in 2012
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I think in a sense we are comparing apples to oranges. Denaro is diversified in his criminal interests while Guzman is strictly into narcotics trafficking. i think that its a misconception to think that the cartels are strictly into narcotics. while that is without question thier #1 moneymaker by far, people dont realize that they are very much into human trafficing/prostitution as well as shakedown/protection rackets in mexico as well as america. im not saying they are nearly as diversified as the mafia but they are far from the one trick pony they are so often portrayed as. Agreed. That said, we will know more years from now. As of now we don't know the true scope of all of their activities. We have some examples but it seems like in time the right person flips and more info comes out. At least with American LCN and Italian groups. Not so sure about the cartels. They don't have too many examples of people flipping.
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Re: Top 15 Crime Bosses and Drug Lords in 2012
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Agreed. That said, we will know more years from now. As of now we don't know the true scope of all of their activities. We have some examples but it seems like in time the right person flips and more info comes out. At least with American LCN and Italian groups. Not so sure about the cartels. They don't have too many examples of people flipping. You got that right - very few from the Cartels have flipped. The only that comes to mind is Osiel Cárdenas Guillén, former leader of the Gulf Cartel. There have been press reports that Edgar Valdez Villarreal ("La Barbie" from the Beltrán-Leyva Cartel Cartel) flipped after his capture in a video tapped confession, but the last I heard was his lawyer claimed it was made under duress and that all statements are denied.
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Re: Top 15 Crime Bosses and Drug Lords in 2012
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mexico doesnt need people flipping its not like italy and usa where there are witness programs if mexican police wants to know something just kniddap and torture some cartel members and eventually killed them I agree that the Mexican authorities don't follow the same probable cause requirements as their US counterparts, but if it were that simple the country wouldn't have the problem that it has. Anytime organized crime is that deeply rooted the only way to remove it is with cooperators.
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Re: Top 15 Crime Bosses and Drug Lords in 2012
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i remember a few yrs back the cartels found out one of their guys was cooperating with the mexican police and the dea, the cartel kidnapped his family including his kids and killed all of them, beheaded them, then dumped their bodies in the middle of a busy street and then proceeded to set the bodies on fire
talk about sending a msg that is super brutal
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Re: Top 15 Crime Bosses and Drug Lords in 2012
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yes of course mexico should adopt a witness programs or use wiretaps at least to show the goverment is a bit stronger than cartels italy adopted these laws when mafia violent became too high and although they dont solve the problems they reduce mafia violence by far anyway in morth mexico theres an endemic violence not linked to drug cartels only its not like italy that the level of violence follows mafia foots i am pretty sure mexico has such programs already in place, the problem is that the cartels bribe police and govt soldiers with ease given the vast amount of profits they are making from their activities.Case in point: Los Zetas, former Mexican special forces who decided to work as hitmen for the cartels and then branched out on their own, according to the US govt they are the "most technologically advanced, sophisticated, and dangerous cartel operating in Mexico."
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