hanging around passyunk ave talking to some old friends and everybody thinks these charges against the ligambi crew is total bs and that they will be home by thanksgivig

I would think most of them will take plea deals rather than risk trial anyway.

Lucibello was smart asking for a hip replacement, then withdrawing his guilty plea. That gave a scope to the family of what kind of time the feds think they should serve. They're probably pissed, they fell for that, I forget the specifics, but that little stunt was pretty clever I thought. Like I've said on here before I don't follow NYC as close as Phila, but in January when they rounded up the upper echelon of the Bonnanos, those guys got really light sentences,( 2 years)I guess what I'm trying to say is I see a possibility of some of them walking...

Walking? Just wait till the feds reveal some more stuff from the Nicky Skins tapes, GA said that the most recent indictment with Scoops was just a preview of what the feds had up their sleeve according to his sources through the Skins tapes.

What would be interesting if somebody from Philly flips and then some murder charges are brought in an indictment, things will get much more interesting very quickly after that.

That plea was pre-Skins and the superseeding indictment which affects guys like Ligambi with the no show job.

"Gaeton Lucibello withdrew his guilty plea to racketeering charges, rejecting a government plea deal that called for a 63-month sentence in the case.
During a brief hearing before Judge Eduardo Robreno, Lucibello, 59, turned down a deal he had signed off on earlier this month.
The signed plea agreement was the basis for Tuesday's hearing. Lucibello is one of a dozen reputed mob figures charged in an indictment handed up in May.
Reputed mob boss Joseph Ligambi, underboss Joseph "Mousie" Massimino, and several other mob soldiers are also defendants in the case.
Like Lucibello, they all have been charged with a racketeering conspiracy involving gambling, loan-sharking, and extortion enterprises.
In a comment that may not bode well for the defendants, Robreno said "it is unlikely" he would have accepted the plea deal worked out between prosecutors and Ligambi's court-appointed attorney, Caroline Cinquanto, even if Lucibello had decided to honor the agreement.
Robreno said he was concerned about an "unwarranted disparity of sentencing" had Lucibello been sentenced to a little more than five years in the racketeering conspiracy case.
While the judge offered no further explanation, one interpretation is that Robreno, who has a reputation for meting out tough sentences, expects to level prison terms significantly greater than 63 months should the defendants be convicted."

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2012/04/philly-mobster-withdraws-from.html

According to this, I wouldnt count on the judge to follow the sentencing guidelines too closely...

I almost forgot the other cooperating witnesses the feds have revealed might take the stand at trial, check it out below:

"North Jersey mob informant Peter "Pete the Crumb" Caprio is expected to testify against reputed mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and 11 codefendants.Eugene "Gino" Milano, 52, a South Philadelphia hit man turned informant, also may make a return appearance for the prosecution.The men are expected to provide the jury with details about the way organized crime operates, and, more important, about Ligambi's alleged role in the organization.
Sources who have seen the witness list said Caprio and Milano were among those expected to be called to the stand.
Others include Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello, who was indicted with Ligambi in May but who began cooperating less than a month after his arrest.
The jury also will hear from Frank "Frankie the Fixer" DiGiacomo, a Monacello associate.
Other possible witnesses include Anthony Aponick, a bank robber and New York mob associate who did time in a West Virginia prison with Borgesi, and Jack Buscemi, a convicted bookmaker who authorities have said was an associate of Gaeton Lucibello, also a codefendant.
Another key witness could be Curt Arbitman, the operator of a video-poker machine company whose warehouse in the 800 block of Mountain Street in South Philadelphia was raided by state police in 2009."

Plus dont forget all the Nicky Skins tapes...

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2012/04/mob-informants-expected-to-testify.html

Thanks D squared.


I was confused at the one statement you had made, but then skimmed over the page on your blog. I guess the writer made a mistake, " they said Ligambi's Court Appointed Attorney, when they were referring to Lucibello.

yeah i just noticed that, prob a mistake but maybe they have the same attorney? that is also possible...

It must have been a mis print because ligambi has Ed Jacobs for his attorney

No they have different lawyers. Uncle Joe first retained Joe Santaguida, if I remember correctly he fired him, and then retained Eddie Jacobs. Both are seasoned defense attorneys, the feds might have also filed a motion to disqualify Santaguida from representing ligambi or anyone else in the case because of a conflict of interest. Santaguida, has defeneded half of the guys, that have been indicted along with a wide variety of criminals going back 30-40 years.

also i did look up that comment about disparity in sentencing and the only reason why judges use that comment is because of the guidelines that other defendants in this case will get if convicted without taking a plea and also the normal sentence for these charges in past cases. so it can be taken both ways high or low. Of course the media will always make the statement look worse

i believe that massimino has santaguida now

Wait, aren't Nicky Skins' tapes inadmissible as he isn't there to corroborate?!

I have a question… I thought mob guys weren't (supposed) to take guilty pleas? Doesn't taking a guilty plea equate to admitting that "this thing" exists?

And… I think it's fair to say "Bent Finger" Lou gets the award for biggest pussy… ever. Why the hell did he turn over a year or two's sentence??

Used to be not allowed to plea. Nowadays they do. The Genovese Family really started that stuff and it worked out for them. No point in doing 20 years for what could have been 5.

In the past, mobsters pleading guilty was frowned upon.

With them now pleading guilty more, I'd suspect that they think ratting others out will be the only option left in thirty years.

Especially if the government bans them from pleading, as doing so will put them back on the streets quicker, thus destroying the hard work the feds have done in indicting them in the first place!

Demeo if you don't mind me asking what neck of the woods are you from?

I live on Pine Street.

The way you talking on some of the other threads about LCN/Gotti etc I thought you were from outside the states.

Is Pine Street in Philly? DeMeo said over on another thread he is in the UK.

Center city there's a pine st

LOL That guy ain't from Philly or any surrounding area. C'mon Pine Street Runs like 70 blocks from Front to the 69th street terminal. I'm from pine street get outta here!

So, what is the entire point of asking my location?

Name Calling isn't allowed on here, so the response I give you is..

"This is gonna be a Cosa Nostra 'til I die. Be it an hour from now, or be it tonight, or a hundred years from now when I'm in jail, it's gonna be a Cosa Nostra." -

Spoken by an egotistical mob boss.

Isn't that waste of space dead yet?

It's called sarcasm. Did I have anything good to say about Gotti? I didn't. I get a kick out of his quotes and recordings because hes so freaking idiotic.

But if you want to talk about Gotti post on the other thread and we can debate there. Capesh?

I wonder if Uncle Joe was semi afraid of punching someone's ticket. I mean not afraid… but afraid of getting tried for murder (again). I mean the evidence on this indictment shows merely "threats of violence"… I guess if it's not necessary, why hurt people.

I would say he was smart ! Also I don't think he gave the orders to get rid of people ! I think his men did it on there own !

hey just a reminder and somebody correct me if im wrong, i dont think anybody has gotten offed in a long while and i havnt heard of any beatens either

There's been 3 since ligambi first started as acting boss. Turchi, long john and gongs. Gongs is best shot for feds to build case on

But nothing real recent