Hey Pizzaboy! I was trying to send you a PM to see how you liked this season's CYE. But your PM message box is full. So whaddaya think so far? I love Funkhouser as a devout Jew from the last episode.

These pretzels are making me THIRSTY!

good topic!

I asbolutely loved the last season of Curb. the episode you mention ("Palestinian Chicken") is up to Seinfeld standards. by the way I was recently watching Seinfeld's "The Masseuse" and I found very funny that two topis of that episode were revisited by Larry David on Curb:

1. George becomes attracted to a woman just because she doesn't like him, just like Larry and Shara the palestinian chick;

2. Elaine is discussing new names for her boyfriend Joel Rifkin and vetos Alex because she had a classmate named like that who used to make an annoying "aahhhhh" after every dip of his coffee.

obviously there is a point there but I hardly disagree with the generalisation that Seinfeld simply declined after the 7th Season. first, it deliberately changed its style a little bit in an effort to fresh things up - salute to that!

second, by a quick glance at the episode list I just don't agree that it declined that much. the writing is not all-time best after Larry David left but the chemistry among the characters allowed them to rely more on gags than genius screenplays.

even though they would never be as brilliant as Season Four ever again there are a lot of memorable moments all the way until the end of the last season. the storylines just became more bizarre and character-centered.

I agree Tony. Many series start to at least prepare to jump the shark if not actually jump it relatively early in their runs. I thought Kramer led the way in that regard.

I'm the biggest Seinfeld fan in the world but the show definitely started to go off the tracks after the original writers - Larry David, Larry Charles, Peter Mehlman, etc. had less of a hand in things. The style of humor totally changed, as did the way the actors portrayed their characters. They became over the top impressions of themselves. Jerry sort of just sleep walked through it all. Elaine went from at least likeable to sort of a bitch. George went from whining and neurotic to just yelling all the time. And Kramer went from a certain subtle cluelessness to just being a spaz. The later seasons had their moments here and there but, generally speaking, stick with the first 5 seasons.

And by the way, you'll notice the exact same thing happened to The Simpsons.

I thought that Season 7 (LD's last season) was a renaissance year for the show. From George's engagement, right up until Susan's death, I thought they hit it out of the park with almost every episode that year (The Rye, The Soup Nazi, The Cadillac, etc.).

I agree that the characters became a parody of themselves in the last two seasons, BUT it was still better than 90% of the sitcoms on television at that time.

yes they were paroding themselves by the end but I'd say it was still much better than 99% of the sitcoms on television at any time. not as brilliant as it had been but it was still very good even if it was only based on gags.

the Seventh Season is my second favorite by the way and I'll give you that the last two seasons are sub-par but there are good episodes all the way to the end. one of the very very last, "The Frogger" is really funny IMO.

It is tough for any series to go as long as Seinfeld did, and I also agree there was some drop off in the later seasons, but not as great as some are suggesting here. Certainly it never "jumped the shark."

I love this show. I have watched all the episodes of this show and all the episodes of this show are mind blowing.

One of my favorite episodes is when Jerry is doing the "Hellooo! La la la!" voice and his annoyed girlfriend tells him to make a choice... stop doing the voice or stop doing me! I'm glad Kramer drops the big rubber bladder of oil on her from Jerry's apartment window! Ha! "Hellooo! La la la!" Great stuff!

uuuh I am defending the latter seasons just above but the last time I ran thru the series I could barely watch the 8th and 9th seasons and "The Voice" is the worst episode of the series along with "The Butter Shave" IMO.

the Third Season is the biggest grower of them all and it's leapfrogging the ranks for me. other than "The Dog" which completes the Top 3 of my worst Seinfeld episodes.

I'm the biggest Seinfeld fan in the world but it did start to lose it's way after Larry David moved on. The show, as well as the four main characters, became a parody of itself. It still had it's moments later on but I'd stick with the first 5 seasons. Kind of like I suggest sticking with the first 7 or 8 seasons of The Simpsons.

Hurry up and watch this before it gets taken off Youtube. It's Jerry Seinfeld's 1981 HBO debut. He was all of 27 years old. Pay attention to the Smothers Brothers introduction. They were funny even when they weren't trying to be funny.

I wish I could of seen more of Newman he was my fave character.

Yes that was one of the minor themes from the most recent season of Curb - LD borrowing from himself some of the Seinfeld subtleties. Although LD's previous season with the Seinfeld reunion was difficult to top. I thought the most recent season had some good moments, but there was a spell in the middle that were not up to standard. However, the last two episodes with Bill Buckner and then Michael J. Fox were classics. But not enough Leon, Richard Lewis, and Funkhouser for the majority of the season.

The other night I watched an episode that had three major storylines: Fusilli Jerry, the Assman, and the Swirl. I was laughing out loud watching TV by myself.

When talking about the main people involved with Seinfeld, you'd think Larry David or Jerry Seinfeld would be the richest, huh? After all, each of them are worth about $800 million.

But check this out...

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/actors/julia-louis-dreyfus-net-worth/

Yeah, I already knew that about Julia. She's an heir to the Dreyfus fortune.

I thought it was because she was on her third successful show, two of which are constantly aired in syndication. I figured she was set for life with residuals.

Yeah, Julia's parents were loaded.

I don't get all the hate for later season's of Seinfeld. I know LD left but they were great. Characters change. Can't have the same characters for 9 seasons.

Good point about the Simpsons. Seasons 3-6 may be comedy perfection. Those may have been the greatest writers rooms ever.

The Louis Dreyfus family... Lots and lots and lots of French money there.

It wasn't just the individual characters that changed. The whole "feel" of the show changed. In the later years, it still had it's moments but it wasn't the same kind of humor that made it so popular in the first place. And the same thing could be said about The Simpsons now.

I understand, LD even has said the show changed and that's why he left, but I still find it strange that people complain about it. Maybe because I was to young to start watching Seinfeld when it first aired and I only started watching it when I was around 18, in 1999/2000.

I agree, about the Simpsons. It has gone down hill. Alot of people argue that the true Simpsons, should only be considered the first ten seasons and anything after that is not the true show.

It has dropped of in quality, imo, but they also lost an insane number of great writers from those first years.

I wouldn't even go 10 seasons with The Simpsons. The first 7, maybe 8.

As for Seinfeld, if you watch the first few seasons and compare it to the last few seasons you can see a distinct difference in the type of humor. The earlier seasons had more clever, subtle humor, while the later seasons were more slapstick and over the top.

I have not watched a single episode of this show. But i heard about this show. This show is going very good.




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