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Re: Richard Kuklinski - Did he really work with Demeo?
[Re: phatmatress]
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04/23/12 05:18 PM
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thats not ray liota. its the guy from boarwalk empire i cant remember his real name. that trailer has been around for a while and that movie never seemed to go anywhere. i do think it would be entertaining. Yeah but that really wasn't a trailer, it was just a scene that was shot to get studio interest, they shot that scene and maybe a few others with shannon as sort of a pilot to show excecutives. Since that scene was released the cast has changed many times...at one point they were saying benicio del toro was going to play demeo. Now that liotta is playing demeo and winona ryder and james franco are going to be in it along with of course michael shannon it looks much more promising than when it was first circulated as news. I was extremely sceptical at first but now it has some legs...
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Re: Richard Kuklinski - Did he really work with Demeo?
[Re: pizzaboy]
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04/23/12 08:36 PM
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Still looking forward to seeing a film about him though, fictitious or not. It would make a GREAT movie, but IMO not a Scorsese type of film. I'm thinking more along the lines of a Guy Ritchie. Guy Ritchie makes the best movie! Revolver is my fav
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Re: Richard Kuklinski - Did he really work with Demeo?
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Here is a 2005 column from Ganglandnews about the Calabro murder and Sammy the bulls reaction to being charged.
Sammy Spurned Sweet NJ Plea Deal
Two years ago, Salvatore (Sammy Bull) Gravano rejected a plea deal from state prosecutors in New Jersey for the 1980 murder of a NYPD Detective that was even sweeter than the one the pint-sized killer got from the feds for 19 mob slayings, Gang Land has learned.
For the mob hits, Gravano had to do five years – he’d already done most of it by time he was sentenced – and agree to testify against his boss, John Gotti.
But the deal Sammy Bull was offered for the murder of Peter Calabro was a total free pass – no jail time at all – if he agreed to plead guilty, according to a prosecution memo obtained by Gang Land.
The plea offer tendered by Bergen County Prosecutor John Molinelli did not require Sammy Bull to testify against anyone, according to a memo by Detective Robert Anzilotti. The nine-page memo details rambling discussions that Gravano had with Anzilotti and another detective on February 21-22, 2003.
The discussions took place while Gravano was housed at the Maricopa County Jail in Phoenix awaiting transfer to federal prison to serve a 20-year rap for drug dealing. The offer on the table called for him to do no extra time, just accept a 20 year sentence that would be served concurrently with his stretch for drugs. It was an “everybody’s happy” deal: Molinelli gets a conviction; Sammy never does an extra day.
The proposed deal did have one requirement, but it certainly wasn’t a heavy lift. In exchange for the free ride, Gravano would “have to provide a full confession to include all others involved in the murder,” according to the memo.
The session between Sammy Bull and the detectives went down this way, according to the memo: After reading Gravano his rights, Anzilotti engaged Gravano in small talk about Roy DeMeo, a Gambino soldier (right) who was killed three years after Calabro, until Sammy Bull pressed him with: “I know you didn’t come all the way here to talk about Roy. Why don’t you just get to the point and if I can help you I will.”
Anzilotti obliged, telling him that convicted killer Richard (Iceman) Kuklinski, who claims to have been a DeMeo associate and once boasted that he had killed DeMeo, had fingered him for the Calabro hit. The detective also showed him a copy of an affidavit by the Iceman that implicated Gravano in the murder.
Throughout the first 85 minutes of the interview – before Anzilotti presented Gravano with a written document outlining an agreement for him to plead guilty – Sammy Bull’s remarks were filled with wisecracks and sarcasm.
“Believe it or not,” said one source familiar with Gravano’s mindset at the time, “Sammy thought the whole exercise was some kind of a weird, bizarre joke. They brought him coffee and donuts, and wanted to talk, so he talked to them.”
After reading Kuklinski’s affidavit, Gravano “volunteered” that “if” he had wanted to kill Calabro, he would have “whacked him myself,” wrote Anzilotti, who quoted Sammy Bull as adding: “What do I need this Polock for? I hate to say it, but we were good at it.”
At another point, after Anzilotti had shown him1980 crime scene photos that obviously did not connect Gravano to the murder, Sammy Bull looked at the detective and stated: “Maybe I should just cop to it and move on.”
Immediately after that crack, however, the light bulb in Gravano’s brain finally went on when Anzilotti showed him a prepared cooperation agreement that he had brought along.
He immediately asked to see his Arizona lawyer, Greg Parzych. The attorney listened to the detectives summarize their talk with Gravano, read the documents they provided, and conferred with his client, apparently convincing him that while the investigation and accusation made little sense, it was no laughing matter. The next morning, Parzych told the detectives that Sammy Bull would not answer any more questions.
“Gravano then spoke,” wrote Anzilotti, “and in a noticeably different attitude from the previous day stated that he would not cooperate with us, nor was he interested in taking the deal being offered.”
To cap off the sessions – the actual conversations with Gravano took about 90 minutes – Sammy Bull said “he had no involvement in the Calabro murder,” Anzilotti wrote.
Two days after he turned down the deal, Molinelli called a press conference to announce the filing of murder charges. If convicted, Gravano, now 60, faces life, added to the 12 years he still owes
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Re: Richard Kuklinski - Did he really work with Demeo?
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05/04/12 10:22 AM
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Ok so after doing a lot of research on the subject I finally did find a good source who has some proof of the Demeo connection. It doesnnt proof he was a hitman, just that there was a connection. Anthony Bruno wrote the first book on the Iceman. Unlike Carlo, he refused to put things in the book he couldnt verify. You wont find the HOffa, Castellano or Demeo murders. I wrote him an email asking him if there as any proof of Kuklinskis connection to Demeo . Here is his resopnse.
Hi Pat, Good question. Kuklinski told so many tall tales, it was hard to separate truth from his inflated self-image. He told me a lot of the same stories he told Carlo, but if I couldn't verify it, I didn't put it in my book. (For example, the Hoffa killing and the Castellano hit.) As for his association with DeMeo, the late Kenny McCabe of the NYPD confirmed that Kuklinski had been at the Gemini Lounge in Brooklyn (DeMeo's headquarters) on several occasions. DeMeo was under surveillance in the early '80s, and the police routinely took down the plate numbers of the cars parked around the bar. Kuklinski's was one of them.
Further evidence: Kuklinski confessed to the murder of George Malliband. Malliband owed money to DeMeo and refused to pay up. Police confirmed the Malliband-DeMeo connection. Kuklinski told me he had introduced Malliband to DeMeo, making him responsible for the debt in DeMeo's eyes.
More: Kuklinski worked in a film lab in lower Manhattan owned by Gambinio capo Robert DiBernardo. At night Kuklinski freelanced, reproducing porn flicks, and one of the retailers he supplied was a porn palace in Point Pleasant, NJ owned by DeMeo. Kuklinski told me DeMeo beat him up when he didn't produce films fast enough to meet customer demand.
When I interviewed Kuklinksi, he implied that he killed DeMeo. Another tall tale. The hit was almost certainly ordered by DeMeo's boss Nino Gaggi most likely on orders from boss Paul Castellano. DeMeo's mood swings were becoming a problem; he had become a loose cannon.
I hope this answers your question. Let me know if you have any others.
All the best, Anthony Bruno `
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Re: Richard Kuklinski - Did he really work with Demeo?
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I wonder how Demeo got a porn palace in New Jersey? I thought the Gambinos didnt have much of a foothold there and that NJ was mainly Genovese/Lucchese terrority? All five NY families have had a presence in Jersey to one degree or another. The Genovese the most, obviously. I'd say back in the day the Gambino's presence there rivaled the Luccheses. And a porn spot is a little different than, say, the waterfront as far as traditional territory goes. Plus I remember from Murder Machine DeMeo saying Jersey is where a lot of the customers for his child porn/bestiality movies were.
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Re: Richard Kuklinski - Did he really work with Demeo?
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Plus I remember from Murder Machine DeMeo saying Jersey is where a lot of the customers for his child porn/bestiality movies were. Fuckin Greeks .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Richard Kuklinski - Did he really work with Demeo?
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05/04/12 04:26 PM
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Plus I remember from Murder Machine DeMeo saying Jersey is where a lot of the customers for his child porn/bestiality movies were. Fuckin Greeks .
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Re: Richard Kuklinski - Did he really work with Demeo?
[Re: pizzaboy]
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05/04/12 04:51 PM
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Nicholas
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Plus I remember from Murder Machine DeMeo saying Jersey is where a lot of the customers for his child porn/bestiality movies were. Fuckin Greeks . hahahahahahahahaha
"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
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Re: Richard Kuklinski - Did he really work with Demeo?
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You ever watch "I almost got away with it", some of these hillbillies, will hide in the woods for 3 years. Demo with the kiddie porn I don't know and want to know how much money that brought in but I would draw the line with that shit. Then again to be as f'd up as he was, he probably had a lot of skeletons in his closet. ( No Pun Intended) crazy to think that demeo had anything going on in a nice town like point pleasant. hope the kiddie porn wasnt filmed locally. animal porn? how does that do it for anybody?
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Re: Richard Kuklinski - Did he really work with Demeo?
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Amazing how Demeo, a father of 3 himself, peddled that shit! This guy really had no standards did he? His explanation, when Nino blew up at him after he found out, was that it was the way the industry was going and they couldn't stay competitive if they didn't deal in it. Anything for a buck. I read somewhere that because child pornography back then was so hard to get and so risky to possess, each video sold would go for hundreds of dollars, and thus produce enormous profit margins. It's probably easy to get now online.
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Re: Richard Kuklinski - Did he really work with Demeo?
[Re: Ivan]
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05/05/12 06:24 AM
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I wonder what Demeo would do for money nowerdays? Autocrime here in Britain isnt half as bad as it used to be in the 70's and 80's and I suspect its the same stateside! Also, with the advent of the internet, the porn industry isnt what it used to be - guys dont need to sneak into a theater or sexshop to buy dirty movies anymore and Dracula wouldnt recognise 42nd street today! He'd probably have to get Joey and Anthony to shake down internet cafes or get Freddie Dinome to sell touted tickets for Justin Bieber concerts
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