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Re: The Rizzuto crime family
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This war as really confused me. Who's fighting who a who you think killed montagna?
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Re: The Rizzuto crime family
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Shorty, There is so many different mafia groups in Montreal now, you got the Bonanno Family, Rizzuto Family and different Cammora groups operating there. It's hard right now to say who is at war with who. It's a crazy situation.
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Re: The Rizzuto crime family
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Ok thanks. One thing I learned from mafia inc was that there Deere several Italian clans in Canada. Before I thought rizzutos controlled all of Canada :L
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Re: The Rizzuto crime family
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Re: The Rizzuto crime family
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Is strange that after the sciacia murder vito said he was a soldier in the bonanno family? Maybe vito when he comes out of jail independently works for the bonannos? But I think he'll retire. He's clever enough to think that
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Re: The Rizzuto crime family
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While reading "Mafia Inc" I found it interesting that the authors speculate based on police information that the august 2009 killing of Frederico del Peschio and the December 2009 killing of Nick Rizzuto Jr have nothing to do with the current war in montreal (IE: Cun trera , montagna, lopresti etc killings). They speculate that the killing of del Peschio and Rizzuto Jr. were nothing more than a dispute over money with another business man with close mafia ties. Supposedly this man contracted some street gang members to do the hit. Perhaps this was the true weak point in the chain, not Vito leaving for prison. Perhaps the killing of rizzuto Jr. based on other isolated issues and the coincidence of Montagna being deported to Montreal were a perfect set of circumstances for this war to be set in motion. I am still suspect as to whether or not those Deaths, especially Nick Jr's were mafia related.
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Re: The Rizzuto crime family
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Vito is a full member of the Bonanno crime family, why else would they write the article about him taking over the bonannos if he wasn't even a member the family Vito Rizzuto, reputed Godfather of a New York Bonanno Crime family faction that morphed into the Sicilian Mafia in Montreal has allegedly vowed to take control of his beat up cosa nostra clan when he gets out of a federal pen in October — and exact murderous revenge on the rivals who rubbed out his father and son while he stewed behind bars, a jailhouse source says.to NY post Rizzuto, serving 10 years for participating in the notorious“Donnie Brasco” triple homicide in 1981, said “I don’t just want to be godfather of Canada — I want to be godfather of the world,” the source said. He’s got little to live for, so while locked up at a maximum-security pen in Florence, Colo., he’s been eating vegetarian, staying fit, sharpening his mind with games of pinochle — and plotting his coup, the source said http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/plot_to_become_top_bonanno_zFc4sWR3rbGNnURPnw0sbL
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Re: The Rizzuto crime family
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Its a fact that they started as a Bonanno crew, but in time they got more independance from New York, because of the attacks from the feds/gov. Hence, they became the "Sixth Family". Their family is build upon the ruins of the Bonanno crew. Thats why they are made Bonanno members, maybe a bit renegade.
I realize they started out as a Bonanno crew. The debate revolves around whether they stayed as such or whether they evolved into their own independent crime family. From what I can tell, they were quasi-independent - for lack of a better term. And that due to geography as much as anything else. You had guys who were nominally Bonannos but practically independent for the most part. Guys who weren't American LCN at all but tied to the groups in Italy. And so on. At the same time, I never really bought into the "Sixth Family" hype said about them over the years. Even before their decline began. I am new here so don't mean to barge in, but here is the deal. Montreal is to the Bonannos what Rockford is to the Chicago outfit. A crew with a lot of latitude and autonomy. Just like Chicago and Rockford, sometimes the tail wags the dog, that's why some think it is a "sixth family". Trust me on this, Montreal still very much belongs to the Bonannos.
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Re: The Rizzuto crime family
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Re: The Rizzuto crime family
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just wondering how you came to that conclusion. some people believe still a connection, others don't. It goes all the way back back to the 1960s. As my screen name implies I am an old Buffalo guy and there was a time Montreal was in dispute between Buffalo and the Boneannos. It was settles as part of the deal between Joe Bonanno and Steve Meggadino, (who were cousins)when the two families came close to all out war in 1963-64. Bonnano got Montreal, Buffalo got Toronto, Hamilton and the falls. Montreal was always a satellite used by Bonanno guys for everything from safe houses to washing money. Today the Bonnannos have been ravaged by arrests and indictments in NY, and 9-11 fucked up the easy passage from NY into Canada, but Montreal is at this point, a bigger asset to them than NY. Less heat, and they are the only game in town
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Re: The Rizzuto crime family
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sonny why do you think bonannos have influence in montreal? just like to see your explanations
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Re: The Rizzuto crime family
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i'm from montreal. from everything i've read and researched the relationship between montreal and bonanno's in ny basically ended in the early 2000's. i dont doubt they would want montreal as an asset, i just dont think it really exists anymore. plus like you said, arrests, tougher border crossing i dont think they have that kinda power anymore. and a former acting bonanno boss (sal montagna) was just whacked up here, from what i can tell new york cant really do anything about it Name a source other than Vitale who professes the relationship ended. A guy who was kept out of the loop on important matters because everyone knew he would rat one day is not a good source. Montreal is a cash cow and the Bonannos are not going to relinquish control of something as profitable as that just so Massino could kill Sciascia. I can't understand how anyone would think Massino or any Don would give up millions just to kill a guy because he accused TG of being a coke head or killed the son of a made man or whatever other lame reason they say Sciascia was killed for.
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