The Rizzuto's are still there, just laying low.

This war as really confused me. Who's fighting who a who you think killed montagna?

Shorty, There is so many different mafia groups in Montreal now, you got the Bonanno Family, Rizzuto Family and different Cammora groups operating there. It's hard right now to say who is at war with who. It's a crazy situation.

Montagna's group was fighting Desjardins' group and law enforcement is convinced that Desjardins' people killed Montagna. I think everybody agrees on this.

Desjardin's is a French-Canadian associate for the Rizzuto's, I'm shocked that he is getting away with killing a top made guy in LCN. Or is he getting away with this?

Ok thanks. One thing I learned from mafia inc was that there Deere several Italian clans in Canada. Before I thought rizzutos controlled all of Canada :L

Good point !!

Even though Vito Rizzuto was a made member of the Bonanno family, the Rizzutos have been independent since Geraldo Sciascia was killed and even then they did what they wanted, the Rizzutos haven't been a Bonanno crew in years, this whole idea of bloodshed in New York happening over whats going on in Canada is a load of crap. No one in New York cares because with Sicilians, Calabrians and a whole mess of other criminal organizations there is no money to be made there, plus Rizzuto was never sending tribute to New York anyway and was controlling everything nobody from New York could make a penny up there

Is strange that after the sciacia murder vito said he was a soldier in the bonanno family? Maybe vito when he comes out of jail independently works for the bonannos? But I think he'll retire. He's clever enough to think that

Vito Rizzuto and his father Nicolo are made members of the bonannos technically but not really, Nicolo started out as an associate of the Controni crime family in Montreal who answered to the bonannos, so when his father and him got made it was like getting made in the Bonannos, but after awhile they went independent of both families and did their own things and formed their own family, the Rizzuto family, he won't work for the bonannos, he will go back to Montreal reclaim what's left of his family and kill the people who killed his son and father more than likely

I am still suspect as to whether or not those Deaths, especially Nick Jr's were mafia related.

The Rizzutos are fully initiated members of the Rizzuto-Manno family and I think that after some years they were recognised as made members by the Bonanno family, as is the case with most of the zips I think.

Nicolo Rizzuto is in a gray area, but Vito is a made member of the bonannos, why would they be intiated members of Rizzuto Manno family, they founded their own family called the Rizzuto crime family, they were already made in the Bonnanos when they started doing their own things, which later became independent of the Bonannos

Nick Sr. and Vito were fully initiated members of the Rizzuto-Manno-Cammalleri Clan.

Vito is a full member of the Bonanno crime family, why else would they write the article about him taking over the bonannos if he wasn't even a member the family

Vito Rizzuto, reputed Godfather of a New York Bonanno Crime family faction that morphed into the Sicilian Mafia in Montreal has allegedly vowed to take control of his beat up cosa nostra clan when he gets out of a federal pen in October — and exact murderous revenge on the rivals who rubbed out his father and son while he stewed behind bars, a jailhouse source says.to NY post

Rizzuto, serving 10 years for participating in the notorious“Donnie Brasco” triple homicide in 1981, said “I don’t just want to be godfather of Canada — I want to be godfather of the world,” the source said.

He’s got little to live for, so while locked up at a maximum-security pen in Florence, Colo., he’s been eating vegetarian, staying fit, sharpening his mind with games of pinochle — and plotting his coup, the source said

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/plot_to_become_top_bonanno_zFc4sWR3rbGNnURPnw0sbL

Quote that joke of an article put out by the NY post. Way to go.

Nick Sr. was a made member of the Sicilian Mafia and recognised and accepted into the Bonanno family. I suspect this was also the case with his son Vito, although he may have been 'made' into the Bonanno family before or after he participated in the killing of the three capos.

it could be this business man wit mafia ties is tony magi. he owns a construction company and its common knowledge he and nick jr were in business together building condominiums in city.
i'm from the area, the spot we;re nick was shot is directly across the street from magi's offices. coincidence? its also well know that magi hired ducarme joseph, a local haitian street gang leader as muscle to collect loansharking debts etc. joseph was target of assasination attempt a couple of months later that most believe was retaliation for rizzuto killing. coincidence?

I am new here so don't mean to barge in, but here is the deal. Montreal is to the Bonannos what Rockford is to the Chicago outfit. A crew with a lot of latitude and autonomy. Just like Chicago and Rockford, sometimes the tail wags the dog, that's why some think it is a "sixth family". Trust me on this, Montreal still very much belongs to the Bonannos.

i very much doubt that.

Doubt noted

just wondering how you came to that conclusion. some people believe still a connection, others don't.

It goes all the way back back to the 1960s. As my screen name implies I am an old Buffalo guy and there was a time Montreal was in dispute between Buffalo and the Boneannos. It was settles as part of the deal between Joe Bonanno and Steve Meggadino, (who were cousins)when the two families came close to all out war in 1963-64. Bonnano got Montreal, Buffalo got Toronto, Hamilton and the falls. Montreal was always a satellite used by Bonanno guys for everything from safe houses to washing money. Today the Bonnannos have been ravaged by arrests and indictments in NY, and 9-11 fucked up the easy passage from NY into Canada, but Montreal is at this point, a bigger asset to them than NY. Less heat, and they are the only game in town

i'm from montreal. from everything i've read and researched the relationship between montreal and bonanno's in ny basically ended in the early 2000's.
i dont doubt they would want montreal as an asset, i just dont think it really exists anymore. plus like you said, arrests, tougher border crossing i dont think they have that kinda power anymore. and a former acting bonanno boss (sal montagna) was just whacked up here, from what i can tell new york cant really do anything about it

Would have to disagree there. Even if Montreal is still Bonanno territory, New York is their base.

i agree also, its not like they can just move up here set up shop and everything will be fine

I would not be suprised if this is still the case.

They don't have to as they already did a long time ago.

sonny why do you think bonannos have influence in montreal? just like to see your explanations

Name a source other than Vitale who professes the relationship ended.

A guy who was kept out of the loop on important matters because everyone knew he would rat one day is not a good source.

Montreal is a cash cow and the Bonannos are not going to relinquish control of something as profitable as that just so Massino could kill Sciascia. I can't understand how anyone would think Massino or any Don would give up millions just to kill a guy because he accused TG of being a coke head or killed the son of a made man or whatever other lame reason they say Sciascia was killed for.