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Re: What should be done with the Colombo family?
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Just look at the charts Ivy posted: a lot of guys died the last ten years. Who knows if, and if so by who they are being replaced? We get information when someone rats etc., but for a secretive, relatively rat free family like the Genovese, there's still some guys off the radar. The NY families allow each other to replace those members that have died. But you're not allowed to replace any that flipped. They also traditionally made two extra guys at Christmas time but I don't know if they still do that. And obviously, just because there may be several guys not on those charts, that doesn't mean they are off the FBI's radar. For the three smaller NY families, I think Pogo's charts are pretty close considering the official estimates for them are a little over 100 made guys each.
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Re: What should be done with the Colombo family?
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Don't think the Colombos or the Bonnanos have a lot of secrets for the FBI at the moment, maybe the Luccheses or the Gambinos have some aces up their sleeve. But it wouldn't surprise me if the Genovese have some guys that the FBI doesn't know about. Don't get me wrong though, the charts are great and probably very close.
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Re: What should be done with the Colombo family?
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I don't think there is any drastic or immediate action that should be taken with the Colombo's but the Persico element of leadership behind bars is useless. The Persico triangle should step from the throne and let the day-to-day hierarchy over see the family. I posted not too long ago my personal preference about the Colombo leadership: Persico is one of the worst LCN bosses to grace New York. While I can respect the pride the Colombo guys have in themselves and their "code" the Persico leadership has done nothing but put the Colombo's in a bad position, and has made them the laughing stock of the commission. Especially since Carmine's staunch refusal to step down from the throne.
Persico refused to step down despite a war over his poor leadership and nearly crippled the Colombo's by installing his idiot of a son as the head of the family. Almost all of the people associated with the Persico's are operating from a cell.
Persico leadership has done nothing but help to decimate the crew and (hopefully) a new administration will take charge forcing the Persico element out. If the Columbos hope to survive the current era of LCN. Snake and his son are morons who's time in the sun ended back in 1985 when Carmine decided to play Johnny Cochran.
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Re: What should be done with the Colombo family?
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Persico leadership has done nothing but help to decimate the crew and (hopefully) a new administration will take charge forcing the Persico element out.
Why "hopefully"? If the Persicos are really that incompetent, then it's a good thing they are in charge because that makes it easier for the law enforcement to destroy the organization, or at least to damage it. Wait....you mean we shouldn't be rooting for these criminal organizations to succeed? 
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Re: What should be done with the Colombo family?
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Persico leadership has done nothing but help to decimate the crew and (hopefully) a new administration will take charge forcing the Persico element out.
Why "hopefully"? If the Persicos are really that incompetent, then it's a good thing they are in charge because that makes it easier for the law enforcement to destroy the organization, or at least to damage it. Wait....you mean we shouldn't be rooting for these criminal organizations to succeed? My favourite are the gambinos, they got a strong team this season. Who else is really capable of managing the columbos at this point?
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Re: What should be done with the Colombo family?
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It would be a bad idea for them to consolidate, reason being, it would make the FBI's job easier to keep tabs on them. Just as the task forces for the Bonanno's and Colombo's have consolidated because the crews have become so small. It would make more sense for them to spread out, or make it seem so to confuse law enforcement a little, giving the illusion that there are more families operating. If law enforcement thought that there were 10 crime families in NYC, then that would throw them off, kind of like a shuffle if it makes sense. Then they wouldn't know who belongs to what group (unless someone rats) and if they can't pin them to a certain group, then RICO is harder to pin on them. Interesting premise, the problem I see with that is that there are many people informing (many out on the street right now) so as soon as this happens the feds would know almsot simultaneously given all the surveillance they do and wiretaps, etc. Also, I dont think the families would be able to "spread out" much more as you describe as there arent really tons of made guys that would quantify the addition of numerous "other families", in a sense this is already happening but when you think of different crews. Each family has various crews that comprise it and make up the family.
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Re: What should be done with the Colombo family?
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Do the other families recognise them as a family nowadays?
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Re: What should be done with the Colombo family?
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Yeah, I'd assume the Colombo's are still recognized Short. Remember peoples, it's the leadership that is constantly under indictment and turmoil both publicly and on the streets. The rank and file Colombo's seem to be doing an alright job.
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Re: What should be done with the Colombo family?
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Ivy I meant it in an other way. Ini king of the godfathers sal vitale said that dissolving it or employing the current members and associates into the other families or it was generally NOT recognising it has a family
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Re: What should be done with the Colombo family?
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Persico leadership has done nothing but help to decimate the crew and (hopefully) a new administration will take charge forcing the Persico element out.
Why "hopefully"? If the Persicos are really that incompetent, then it's a good thing they are in charge because that makes it easier for the law enforcement to destroy the organization, or at least to damage it. Wait....you mean we shouldn't be rooting for these criminal organizations to succeed? There is no doubt that La Cosa Nostra is an amoral organization powered by money, ambition and greed. It is currently comprised with Italian descendants that are nurtured by family ties and old world values. They are the dark side of the Italian work ethic that nobody should aspire to or idolize. But I thought the initial question was directed from a "connected" point of view, how will the Colombos survive? What needs to be done with the administration? Is the Persico element still a factor? With that in-mind, I still firmly believe from a middle-man view that if the next generation of Colombos expect to survive through FBI and LE infiltration the Persico element needs to be rubbed out. I hope this was not lost in translation and those are now aware I am not an advocate or a supporter of any OC organization.
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Re: What should be done with the Colombo family?
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whats going on with andrew russo after the bust last year? is he waiting for trial or pled guilty?
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Re: What should be done with the Colombo family?
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Colombs should merge with Genovese I'd bet the Genovese family wouldn't be too keen on that idea.  As I've said before, I personally think all the "merge" talk is fantasy. But hypothetically speaking, if it did happen - and even then it wouldn't be for years to come - the Colombos would be more likely to merge with the Bonannos. Or either of those families with the Gambinos.
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