Come on Eurodave, no one in Montreal is a "bigger fish" in OC than Montanga lol. The fact is if Desjardin was extremely lucky he would be worm food right now and Montanga would be running the show.

And Chopper is completely ignorant posturing like the Bonannos and Montreal was a 2009 idea. Like Sonny said the Bonannos have had strong ties to Monteal since Vic Cotroni was running the show in the 1950s. Furthermore, LE has been spewing the BS about the problems the mafia is facing since the 1980's and you sound like a prosecutor getting ready to try the Bonanno administration with your claims "of the serious problems the Bonannos are facing". LCN is specifically designed to continue on no matter who is facing trial or in jail and I think it is safe to say you have never studied business or economics because anyone, even those of limited intelligence can clearly see how being the boss of one of the most prolific drug trafficking orgs in the world for 60+ years certainly does 'mean jack shit" in any city, and even more so in a port city like Montreal.

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OK, lets all tune in to see who an "unconnected guy" says are the big deal in Montreal. Surely a guy with this type of Background would be an authority figure.

You must role with some big time criminals man, because where i live, someone who had the clout where they could meet with the acting head of the Montreal mob (Rizzuto Sr) and tell them to step down ( Montanga) is certainly a big deal.

Actually, a lot of guys in Montreal are bigger fish than Montagna ever was. Plus, it ain't the 1950's no more, and the Bonannos don't mean nothing over there. The Bonannos have enough problems keeping their shit off Mob Wives, let alone organizing a coup in Montreal.

LOL, it's not a coup when you are already the acting power and have been since the 1950's. I know it is hard for you to grasp that Montreal was a Bonnano outpost in 1950, and was still a Bonanno outpost in 2008 before MOntanga was deported and is still a Bonnano outpost now in 2012. Which year since 1950 did the Bonannos lose control of Montreal? Please explain to us how an acting power stages a coup on itself?


While you are at it name when person who was a bigger fish than MOntanga? LOL Desjardin? please.

If you really believe the Rizzutos where still answering to the Bonannos in 2008, you really are living in a fantasy world. You probably think the Commission is still meeting every other weekend too?

montagna was a big deal in ny, but not in montreal thats all im saying. the only allies he really had in city were arcuri, lopresit and tony suzuki. look where they all are now. he didnt hold the the clouth that people think up here, just because he was a new york bonanno, sorry to burst your bubble.

Aaah, love u too Sonny!

It's so nice to see 2 boys from the Netherlands working things out in a civil manner. Must be all the weed, tulips, and windmills...puts people in a happy place.

Heineken helps too!

The Red Light District would put Hitler in a fun loving mood.

You're not kidding. I was there one time years ago, best place on earth. lol

Did you pick up a few extra bucks while you were there?

Actually if you read a book you would know that the only person to ever say they stopped paying tribute after the Sciascia hit was Vitale who was not privy to any sensitive issue, and Massino and the captains went to great lengths to keep him out of the loop.

If you think guys as greedy as mafia members would walk away from a cash crop like Montreal, that is rightfully theirs you are the one living in a fantasy world.

Still waiting to hear who this bigger fish than Montanga are. I didn't realize Desjardins was the Boss of a 100+ faction of professional criminals with 500-1000 associates. I know you live in Holland but you should know Montreal is less than 6 hours away from Montreal, not on the other side of the world like you seem to think. Read a book and you might understand that even with 911 it is still easy to coordinate cross border operations. Cross border marijuana operations are at an all time high in western Canada, in particular BC but you don't think the NY mafia is capable of such a thing eh? After all Montreal is a whole 6 hours away. Do some research on MOntanga while your at it and you will understand he was a very savvy business man, far from a pawn and highly respected by all, not just Vinny Pills. But after your comparison to him and that schlub Bilotti it is very apparent you are just trolling.

No, pizzaboy. It was April, and was the most amazing place I've ever seen. Even better than Vegas. lol I went with a couple girlfriends, was 22, just started court reporting, no husband, no kids... and it was awesome! We even took some kind of weed tour. lol

Good to hear you enjoyed our town Carmela. It is a beautiful city, and yeah, no problem having fun here. You didn't take too much space cake, right ?

It's indeed ironic that this whole discussion started between two Dutch guys. Copper I don't have anything against you and it's nice to see a fellow Dutchman at an American organized crime website.

Still think your opinion about Montagna is off base though.

money stopped going to nyc. its a fact. during project colisee the RCMP had camera's in the rizzuto headquarters for a long time. police knew how much money was coming, from where, from who etc. everything you needed to know about how the montreal family worked.
not ONE mentions of payments to new york.. fact is after george sciascia was whacked new york had no hadn in montreal what so ever.

I should have met you back then, only I would have been a kid. Maybe a time machine will do the trick!

No problem Sonny, nice to meet you. I did think it was funny I joined an American website, only to get in to an argument with another Dutch guy .

Simply not true, they didn't broadcast where the $ were coming from or going on tape not once. I've seen and heard every one of those tapes which were made public, with Sr stuffing wads into his socks and they never discussed who the money came from or who it was going to. Where is your source on this? Your opinion is not fact. What tapes were you watching or listening too when Nick outlined how the Montreal mafia works on lol? The most revealing info he gave on tape was that he made it clear who the top 5 guys were when he divided $ into 5 even piles, one for each of the top guys in Renda, Sr, Vito, Arcadi and Cun-trera which is a long ways away from "outlining how the whole Montral mafia works". You would have to be borderline retarded to reveal something like that in a conversation to anyone, yet alone the top members of the org who would probably already have a good understanding of how things ran and in all the tapes he is only in the presence of other top guys. Mind you I have only seen and heard the tapes made public so please feel free to post a link to where we can see these other tapes you speak of and claim to have seen.

thats what we saw. read mafia inc, based on interviews with the authors, they knew who was paying, what businesses were paying protection etc..
obviously both me and you are not privy to confidential police files, but the two best sources availble to the public are the books the sixth family and mafia inc adn sal vitale own words. money stopped going to ny, most people would agree with that

I own both, have them both in front of me now and they don't say anything as to where the $ was going or coming from. What page? Or do you have a special copy no one else has?

Operation collisee is covered from pg 377-490 and there is exactly 0 dialogue in which they reveal the source of the $ or where it is going nor is there anything on how even a single operation is run, yet alone the entire Montreal mafia. At least chopper doesn't blatantly lie and make up things. Next time you do that you should probably shouldn't refer to books that 90% of the members here own.

i'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you lol.. my point is montreal stop paying new york tribute along time ago. i;m sure most informed people on this forun would agree, thats all im saying

Not a pissing contest at all, just tell me one page in either book that backs up your claim, it will take you 2 minutes. Most informed members on hear know Vitale is the only source for that and I know I'm not the only one who would be interested in seeing your source. It will take you 2 minutes to find the page and post it as anyone who has actually read the books will know or you can claim " you don't want to get into a pissing contest" because you know there are no sources and you want to save face from stating your opinion as fact.

Renda described to an extort victim I think that the 'executive comitee' who were Renda nick vito rocco and Acardi shared the money

Yes I stand corrected, I couldn't think of the 5th man, and assumed it was Cun-trera.

Was this before or after Cun-trera was killed? If he was still alive im curious as to his actual rank. The media claimed he was the "reluctant acting boss" for awhile which would indicate he is of equal or higher rank than the others in the "executive committee".

No rocco sollecito. Can't remember last name. No idea gonna read it again cos some of is complicated

read between the lines...your not going to find one sentence to back it up. do some some thinking and connect the dots yourself. from everything we know of the relationship between the bonanno family and montreal up until present day.

and on a side note montagna got whacked by a frenchman, how does that happen if the bonanno family had any clout up here? the short answer is they dont anymore, its been like that for a while now

I am reading between the lines and don't see how you could say the transcripts reveal any sources about the $. There isn't even a single allusion nor innuendo to anything you claim to see when reading between the lines. Anyway I think its pretty clear whats what and where your credibility stands when you go from saying things like the 6th family and Mafia inc have detailed info about where the money was coming from and going and then 5 minutes later when asked to name a single page to back up your claims you say you don't want to get into a pissing contest and concede that in order to draw the conclusion you have reached, one has to "read between the lines" lol.

And the Frenchman you speak of happens to have a high ranking Bonanno as a brother in law ( you conveniently overlooked that or didn't know) and helped the Bonnanos whack out his previous bosses and only switched sides after he was almost whacked. Further more the same sources which gave you your info on Desjardins also claim he was taken off the street when he was because the Bonannos had a hit squad looking for him