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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #639756
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No it was NOT his religion as a child. His step-father registered him as Muslim cause that was what he was. President Obama said he was not raised in any one particular religion.

Btw, it's amazing that as a child he only saw his dad for the most part, a very short time and the entire rest of his life was with his mother & Grandparents. YET, those are the years that people focus on.

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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
So what if he is a generic Christian? What if he doesn't go to church, which he indicated he didn't til adult years? Why does that matter? confused Just do what's best for our country andf don't push his/her personal faith beliefs on me. The only people this matters to are the Rightwing nutjobs & birthers, and I think it's a cover-up to the real reason they hate him or they'd be talking about pursuing serious issues. rolleyes

Amen, Tis clap.

If you want to criticise the guy for important shortcomings, go right ahead. But thinly veiling racial contempt in the name of religion is deplorable. And it's not fooling anyone, either.


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MSNBC today talking about all of Romney's gaffes/mispeaks/awkwardness, etc...."It's like he's on a safari in his own country." lol



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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #639774
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
No it was NOT his religion as a child. His father registered him as Muslim cause that was what his father was. President Obama said he was not raised in any one particular religion.

Btw, it's amazing that as a child he only saw his dad for the most part, those couple years and the entire rest of his life was with his mother & Grandparents. YET, those couple years are what people focus on.

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His father never registered him as a Muslim. His stepdad Lolo Soetoro did.

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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
So what if he is a generic Christian? What if he doesn't go to church, which he indicated he didn't til adult years? Why does that matter? confused Just do what's best for our country andf don't push his/her personal faith beliefs on me. The only people this matters to are the Rightwing nutjobs & birthers, and I think it's a cover-up to the real reason they hate him or they'd be talking about pursuing serious issues. rolleyes

Amen, Tis clap.

If you want to criticise the guy for important shortcomings, go right ahead. But thinly veiling racial contempt in the name of religion is deplorable. And it's not fooling anyone, either.


Blame the mainstream media like Huffington Post, CNN and NYDN. They are the ones who recycle this story all the time.

There's nothing racist about saying Obama has a Muslim background. There is something wrong if someone thinks he's a "secret Muslim".

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #639776
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I hate to say it but being Muslim remains a dubious distinction as long as there's an emerging bourgeosis class of them at home and abroad still openly declaring "Death to Israel". Fact is, even the youngest educated demographics of Muslims are still prone to using this rhetoric and there's a reason for that.

But anyone who thinks Obama shouldn't or doesn't embrace his Muslim faith is being purposely naive. Most people don't simply forget their Muslim heritage and nor should they IMO.

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Nobody has commented on the fact that he went to Catholic school as a child. Does that make him Catholic???


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #639785
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Touche, SB. But didn't Gadaffi send Obama some sort of correspondence telling him he's the dark savior of their superior Muslim brothers, or something to that affect. It came out in Wikileaks.

Not saying Obama gave it any creedence, but it'd be foolish not to think that there are at least some other Muslims who relate to him this way and that he's used this idea for his political advantage, whether he considers himself one or not.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #639787
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Qadaffi? I don't know anything about that, but the man was not exactly a credible source.

As far as the Muslim faith, the President has never considered himself a Muslim. He was never raised as part of any religion, but exposed to several. There has often been a "pick and choose" mentality for the parent of children brought up in mixed-faith households. I know several friends who celebrate the holidays of both faiths, bring up the children in neither, and then let the kids choose for themselves when they're adults. That's pretty much what the President's family did, and he chose to follow his mother's faith as a Christian when he became of age.


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Dictator of a large nation for 30 years probably gives him more credibility than you'd think.

But Muslim or not Obama's certainly used the fact that people relate to him this way for his politcal advantage more than once. So you can't expect the proverbial sh*t not to roll back down hill on him.

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Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
But didn't Gadaffi send Obama some sort of correspondence telling him he's the dark savior of their superior Muslim brothers, or something to that affect. It came out in Wikileaks.


Gaddafi was also certifiably fucking insane. From his all-virgin female bodyguard unit to wearing gloves on his visit to Israel (so his hands wouldn't shake hands with Jews) to that infamous tape he sent out to his people shortly after the revolt began. Remember, him indoors in a car while holdign an umbrella?

Yeah, use him as a source to your heart's content.

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Not saying Obama gave it any creedence, but it'd be foolish not to think that there are at least some other Muslims who relate to him this way and that he's used this idea for his political advantage, whether he considers himself one or not.


Do they really? Why would they considering he's retained Dubya's national security methods and practices, if not arguably gone even more right-wing (consider his escalation of the drone program) than Dubya.

Fun Fact: Before 9/11, the Muslim-American voted overwhelmingly Republican. Which makes sense, since most leaders of both sides hate the gays and evolution.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #639838
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Yeah, those anonymous internet bloggers and supposed impartial media outlets who spread tautological, biased false narratives are the sources of true information, ron ron.

Pre 9-11 was a long time ago and considering the fact we're pulling out of Afghanistan and Iraq I would hardly put Obama in the Bush category on Muslim affairs. You think Obama's national security is arguably more right wing than so-called war-mongering Bush who you all wanted for crimes and say unlawfully massacred thousands of innocent Iraqis? lol REally!?!

Wow, you guys have no problem twisting the facts to win each and every argument even if it discredits your overall party rhetoric.

But Obama has more credibility in the Muslim world because of his background, that's just a fact. If we can use that to our political advantage then hell YES we should. Which is why if we want to take care of business over there we should keep him in office.

Considering all of that, it's not surprising that 1 out of 2 people surveyed in one very non scientific poll think this man whose name also happens to be Hussein with Kenyan ancestory is Muslim, I don't think this equates to mass racism, conspiracy, or ignorance.

Because you know, the man in fireman's jacket & fireman's pants with a fireman's helmet, safety boots, an axe and a hose may just possibly be a fireman...not that there's anything wrong with it.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #639841
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Nobody has commented on the fact that he went to Catholic school as a child. Does that make him Catholic???


Obviously not, if he didn't convert to Christianity at age 27 when baptized by Rev Wright.

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Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Qadaffi? I don't know anything about that, but the man was not exactly a credible source.

As far as the Muslim faith, the President has never considered himself a Muslim. He was never raised as part of any religion, but exposed to several. There has often been a "pick and choose" mentality for the parent of children brought up in mixed-faith households. I know several friends who celebrate the holidays of both faiths, bring up the children in neither, and then let the kids choose for themselves when they're adults. That's pretty much what the President's family did, and he chose to follow his mother's faith as a Christian when he became of age.


Your absolutely right, it was all in his book as well. "Letters from my Father"


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Dapper_Don] #639845
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Santorum won Alabama and although Mississippi is too close to call with over 80 percent in, I'm guessing he'll also get Miss. Mitt is 3rd in both. Hawaii no numbers yet.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #639847
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I'll give Mr. Santorum credit: He was outspent 6-1 by Mittens, and Newt the spoiler, I didn't honestly think he would win a state, much less both. Once again declared dead by the media (and me), and once again, he lives to fight for a another day.

Mittens earlier today called today's primaries "the desperate end" of Santorum's campaign. So Mitt, you lost to a desperate loser. And came in third! Opps. lol

I hate Newt, but this was funny:

Quote:
"If a front-runner keeps coming in third, he's not the front-runner."

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After tonight with Mittens considerably underperforming to his Evangelical polling, is there a Mormon Bradly Effect in...err, effect...for Mittens among Evangelical voters?

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Results tonight in MS and AL raise the question of whether evangelical voters are lying to pollsters about willingness to vote for a Mormon.


https://twitter.com/#!/blakehounshell/status/179754752870060033

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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I'll give Mr. Santorum credit: He was outspent 6-1 by Mittens, and Newt the spoiler, I didn't honestly think he would win a state, much less both. Once again declared dead by the media (and me), and once again, he lives to fight for a another day.

Mittens earlier today called today's primaries "the desperate end" of Santorum's campaign. So Mitt, you lost to a desperate loser. And came in third! Opps. lol

I hate Newt, but this was funny:

Quote:
"If a front-runner keeps coming in third, he's not the front-runner."




The results tonight were as expected. No big deal.

Romney is clearly the front-runner. Just like it was clear Obama was the front-runner even when Hillary beat him in key leftist states and went on a big win streak. And how did that work out?

People saying that Romney has an Evangelical problem would have to look at 2008 DNC primaries and conclude that NY, NJ and CA had a "black problem" when Hillary won those states.

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What I don't understand is why anyone gives a hoot about what the Republicans say. Watching them go through the primaries is the funniest thing on tv since "The Gong Show".


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I'm sorry SV, but I can't hear you for your washing machine in the background and it's heavy spin.

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"We are going to win tomorrow." - Mitt Romney


http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romney-said-he-was-going-to-win-alabama

Shit exit polls even had Mittens winning Miss. Considering all the elements I mentioned, plus the state GOP firmly behind him, I fully expected Mittens to win at least one of the two tonight. If he had, primary season over. But he didn't. I do agree he is the "front runner," but again he's winning by default with that damn delegate system, which for whatever reason the GOP thought was a genius move to emulate from the Democrats.* Except for Florida, he's not once truely been the Queen Bitch of the narrative.

(He'll win the delegates tonight I guess, but again he's had another knock out moment. And missed. I think what hurts him more than anything else is the never-ending reports of how he and his affiliated Super Pacs are outspending Santorum out the wazoo. That raises expectations of performance. Thanks Citizens United.)

As for your 2008 allusions, I didn't know Ohio was a bastion of liberialism, same with New Hampshire. Also you forget that while African-Americans are a core element of the Democratic voting bloc, they're no way near weld the power and influence within their own party in comparison with the Evangelicals in the GOP.

Just give it up and blame Mittens' struggles tonight on the Feminazis. And don't forget the homosexuals too. And Al Sharpton's radio show.

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What I don't understand is why anyone gives a hoot about what the Republicans say. Watching them go through the primaries is the funniest thing on tv since "The Gong Show".


Not seen it, but Newt's speech tonight is apparently a future contender for enshrinement in the Hubris Hall of Fame.

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A pro-life group that spent big money helping Rick Santorum in Alabama and Mississippi Tuesday says the results were a triumph for social issues, which the GOP establishement has urged the candidates to stay away from.


http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/pro-life-group-al-ms-proves-social-issues

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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I'm sorry SV, but I can't hear you for your washing machine in the background and it's heavy spin.

Quote:
"We are going to win tomorrow." - Mitt Romney


http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romney-said-he-was-going-to-win-alabama

Shit exit polls even had Mittens winning Miss. Considering all the elements I mentioned, plus the state GOP firmly behind him, I fully expected Mittens to win at least one of the two tonight. If he had, primary season over. But he didn't. I do agree he is the "front runner," but again he's winning by default with that damn delegate system, which for whatever reason the GOP thought was a genius move to emulate from the Democrats.* Except for Florida, he's not once truely been the Queen Bitch of the narrative.

(He'll win the delegates tonight I guess, but again he's had another knock out moment. And missed. I think what hurts him more than anything else is the never-ending reports of how he and his affiliated Super Pacs are outspending Santorum out the wazoo. That raises expectations of performance. Thanks Citizens United.)

As for your 2008 allusions, I didn't know Ohio was a bastion of liberialism, same with New Hampshire. Also you forget that while African-Americans are a core element of the Democratic voting bloc, they're no way near weld the power and influence within their own party in comparison with the Evangelicals in the GOP.

Just give it up and blame Mittens' struggles tonight on the Feminazis. And don't forget the homosexuals too. And Al Sharpton's radio show.


Al Sharpton? How petulant.

I can't think of any political junkie who expected Romney to win these two states. He lost states he was expected to lose. Why is it an issue?

If you are going to conclude that Romney's loss in the Deep South is an Evangelical issue, it would be like saying Obama's losses in California, NY and NJ mean voters in those states have an issue with a black candidate. But in the end they didn't. And there won't be a problem with Evangelicals voting against Obama in November.

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Mitt got ambushed today on FNC over the mandates.


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Is Paul Ready to Cut a Deal with Romney?

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Ron Paul "has sent discreet signals to Camp Romney" suggesting he might be willing to trade his support in the GOP presidential race, Alex Altman reports.

"Aides say if Paul can't win the nomination, four legislative priorities would top the Texas Representative's wish list: (1) deep spending cuts that lead to a balanced budget; (2) the restoration of civil liberties; (3) a commitment to reclaim the legislative branch's right to declare war, which it abdicated to the executive branch in recent decades; and (4) reforms that shore up the U.S. monetary system, such an audit of the Federal Reserve or competing-currency legislation."

Paul might also be enticed "by the prospect of serving as a presidential adviser, a Cabinet position for someone in his orbit or 'perhaps a vice presidency.' Not for himself, but rather his son. Rand Paul, the junior senator from Kentucky and a Tea Party icon, is expected to launch his own White House bid in 2016. Being on the ticket now - or even being mentioned for it - would be a helpful step."


http://swampland.time.com/2012/03/14/why-ron-paul-may-cut-a-deal-with-mitt-romney/

How Romney Gave Santorum an Opening in Illinois

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"Mitt Romney could have assured himself victory months in advance in the now-crucial primary state of Illinois, but instead his Illinois campaign operation chose to allow Rick Santorum's delegates to remain on the ballot despite a failure to meet signature requirements."

"The decision produced a quiet storm of outrage among Romney's allies in the state, who were bewildered by the decision to make a slam-dunk race competitive, and to grant an opening in the desperate scramble to reach the 1,144 delegates required for the Republican nomination."


http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/how-romney-gave-rick-santorum-an-opening-in-illino

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Is Data from Star Trek: The Next Generation a distant relative of Mitt Romney?





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okay...santorum really screwed him self here...no guy would vote for him now.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/rick-santorum-wants-ban-hardcore-pornography-222833811.html

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Originally Posted By: BAM_233
okay...santorum really screwed him self here...no guy would vote for him now.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/rick-santorum-wants-ban-hardcore-pornography-222833811.html



He's definately lost the college vote.

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Before revisionism may or may not happen (as Team Mittens believed they would win in the South this week, only to lose and claim afterwards they never expected to win there), let's make this clear: He should win Puerto Rico sunday, especially after Santorum's gaffe.

Of course off-topic, but why do non-state American territories, who can't vote for President, get to vote for President (and have an effect on the race) in the party primaries?

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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Of course off-topic, but why do non-state American territories, who can't vote for President, get to vote for President (and have an effect on the race) in the party primaries?

Doesn't make any sense at all, Ronnie. It never has.

Santorum's "Speak English" mandate is the final nail in his coffin (not that he was ever going to get the Latino vote anyway). He ought to just take his wife and kids and move to a White Guy militia in Oregon right now. Get it over with.

How the grandson of immigrants can be so xenophobic is beyond me.


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