fuck kenji

Indeed.



There's a huge, stickied thread on RD devoted to Kenji's Q and A. I have to admit, at first I was all "ZOMG Kenji's akshullyx responding!!1!"; but soon realised the extent of his flip-flopping, contradiction and "LULZ IM SO AWESOME!" rendered his info severely biased. He seems more interested in convincing people he was a "HARDCORE CRIM EVEN BEFORE" and that the one Persico he was around is indicative of the whole. The various responses and pointed questioning eventually lead to his boycotting of the forum.

Sure he was around some guys, and I certainly hold a modicum of respect for him taking the time to post about his exploits on a mafia forum. But so much inconsistency and so much arrogance doesn't exactly endear him to the average poster. I swear Ive seen his name a few times in the "users browsing this forum" feed, but beyond that, his thread's run cold for a few years now apparently.

Back on topic, despite the "sinking ship" meme, I think that people are too quick to write off the Colombos. There's a huge history there and they're still, even today, after so may hits; so many cuts above the average "gang" status. There's still a number of serious earners, still a number of serious hitters and, as with the other four families, still likely a number of guys we dont even know about still towing the line. It's ludicrous to think that we "internet fanboyz (LULZ)" have got a handle on each and every figure affiliated.

Still, I'll STFU if Capeci reports on the Colombo (READ: PERSICO) dissolution in a Gangland article soon.

Agree 100%. While they are going through some very, very hard times, and it sure as hell ain't what it used to be, they will be around for quite some time. They just have some big leadership issues they need to resolve.

Kenji is about 20 different people on RD and I'm not even kidding. He's brilliant and talks circles around all the guys that just can't seem to get off his dick. He's an attention whore first and foremost, so talking about him whether good or bad..he loves you for it.

What should be done with the Colombo family?

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Aisle fuckin four, scumbag. Right next to the stool softener.

The "sinking ship" joke is just what it is: a joke. Nothing more.

I talked to him in certain threads. What carmella said is correct. Kenji loved the attention, as well as pissing people off. I didn't care if he was a rat, like many others did. I thought he provided some good "micro," first-hand information but certainly didn't take everything he said as gospel.



It's been repeated so much that it seems some people are starting to take it as fact. They're the ones who talk almost like it's the 4 NY families + the Colombos. If families are going to be labeled as such, the smaller remaining families outside NY should have that label before the Colombos.

I bet most are perfectly aware that the Colombos are still a viable family. It's oversensationlized by the press.

It goes to show the structure of the families, set in place 80 years ago, is brilliant. It's what makes them vulnerable to RICO but also what keeps them viable at the same time.

Have you noticed how some, at least on the other board, try to argue that Chicago and even Detroit is more viable than the Colombos?

Well, it's obvious. They're more secretive and low key. Plus, they have entire cities to themselves....

I'm kinda surprised that Buffalo doesn't get this treatment. They're in the same boat as Detroit as a moderately sized family kinda just fading away. At least for Detroit there was that bust in 96. Buffalo lost their union in the 90s and seemingly faded away.

Interestingly enough, when I went to go double check on Buffalo and their union, I saw that there are mob associates currently running it.

http://www.laborers.org/Buffalo_Local210-12-2-99.html

http://www.laborers210.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=page.display&page_id=28

The first link goes to an article about the various gangsters involved in the union. The second link goes to the current office staff.

Now, I don't think that means the mob in Buffalo is thriving or even really that active at all at the moment. If it was, I feel like the feds would jump all over it just for the headlines alone.

I've never understood that aspect of the cult surrounding Detroit. About how, because of terrorism, the mob in Detroit is put on the back burner by the feds. The cases never let up in NY, the one place in America that could get away with letting up on the mob in place of terrorism.

I've too have noticed that Sam Capitano is still running things. Still, the local was declared free of mob influence back in 2006.

Just about every reason has been floated to explain away the lack of mob cases in certain cities, including the feds having other priorities. But that excuse holds water for only so long. The more time goes by, it becomes more and more clear where the mob is more active and where it is less active.

I know its a terrible source to use but a year ago Wiki said for the colombos "Membership: 100 made men" Now it says "Membership 40-50 made men" LOL

it does or did say however active made men 2011 does it/didnt it?

Yeah it did, its just funny though how it has halved since last year. Not that I am putting much stock in those stats.

Looking at the sources in the article history, the old figure was from 2004.

The figure listed in the 2004 source, which was the New Jersey report on organized crime, cited the Colombo family as having 112 total members.

112 made guys is enormous compared to any of the families outside New York, even if half are jailed/inactive. Factor in 5-15 associates for each made guy and you've got a veritable army of gangsters on your hands. They're going to be around for quite a while longer.

Exactly. While I personally don't put a whole lot of stock in associate estimates, if we include the associate estimate for the Colombo family from the same 2004 report, it cited 112 total members and 500 associates. Or total manpower of over 600.

Compare that with New England and Philadelphia, who each have maybe 50 total members and 100 associates, or Chicago, with perhaps 30 members and a little over 100 associates. The Colombos are still 4 times the size of the remaining families outside NY.

CHICAGO HAS GOT OVER A 1000 MADE GUYS! I KNOW BECAUSE I LIVED THERE IN 1972! WE CONTROL EVERYTHING AND NEW YORK ANSWERS TO US!

just kidding guys, just kidding

i wonder how many active made men there are now in the bonanno and lucchese families

The number of active made men changes all the time. People die, go into jail, out of jail, younger guys get made, guys flip etc. Also, I personally believe nobody knows the exact number. Not everybody is on the radar. Of course, you can get very close.

Right. Totally agree with that.

Short, Ivy answered that question not that long ago. I don´t remember the details but do a search through the threads in here and I´m sure you´ll find it.

ok ill look. thanks

While they could never know the exact number at a given time, given the in-house knowledge that has been acquired by the FBI over the past 30 years, as well as informants, surveillance, etc., I really don't think their membership estimates are off by more than, say, 10% or so. So, for a family like the Colombos, 10 or 12 members that have not been identified yet seems believable.

As far as active members on the street, it's probably around 50 or so for each of the smaller NY families (Lucchese, Colombo, Bonanno).

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