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Re: mafia outside the northeast?
[Re: phatmatress]
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01/23/12 04:45 AM
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what can you tell me about Thomas "Sonny" Ciancutti heard that he;s the only made guy left in the burgh He's the only active made guy left. There's like 4-5 other made guys still alive but they are all retired. He's about 80 years old.
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Re: mafia outside the northeast?
[Re: Five_Felonies]
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01/23/12 01:00 PM
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I'm not sure if New Kensington is a big gambling territory anymore, due to economic times and the current demographics. Sonny still has his hands in operations run by Maselli and Johnnie A. McKeesport is also an area with gambling operations. At this day in age, Sonny is putting some cash in his pocket and has his name behind operations, which still carries some weight. Other than that, Pittsburgh is defunct. My question is: Why wouldn't Genovese have made more than 4 guys when he was boss? Since Pittsburgh was represented by NY, you would think NY would have seen the attrition and advanced age of the members and would have authorized Pittsburgh to initiate new members to carry the family. Same with Cleveland, NE Pennsylvania, Buffalo etc. Even though these families were smaller, they still have big enough territories to generate quite a bit of illegal gambling revenue. In Genovese's reign, he made Ciancutti and Porter in 1986 and Strollo and Naples in 1987. All of them were in their 50's or 60's when they were made. Why not send some trusted made guys from NY to oversee the gambling in all of the smaller cities that are now defunct?
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Re: mafia outside the northeast?
[Re: m2w]
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01/24/12 04:03 PM
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He's the only active made guy left. There's like 4-5 other made guys still alive but they are all retired. He's about 80 years old. how you know it? from porter declarations or what? Well I thought it was common knowledge but apparently I was wrong; those "4-5 other made guys" I mentioned according to JCB are either dead or were never made to begin with. Sorry about the bad info. Chiarelli Was nothing more than a burglar and small time drug dealer, name got big because he was on trial with Chucky Porter. Bobby Ianelli was an "independent" numbers operator, he took over parts of Tony Grosso's numbers racket with the Willams brothers. Never made, but did pay tribute to Genovese for operating. Mauro Matone was nothing more than a mid level drug dealer, with convictions in New York. Anthony Imburgia was an associate and the nephew of Charlie Imburgia, former high ranking made guy and Delucia was a small time bookie. See I thought these guys were all made but retired - that's who I was referring to in my earlier post. I didn't know that they had never been made to begin with. Why are so many Pittsburgh guys mistakenly listed as made members, even in the media and by law enforcement? And why is Strollo usually described as a capo even though he was just a soldier?
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Re: mafia outside the northeast?
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01/24/12 06:16 PM
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Remember, Pittsburgh was one of the "smaller families," so their hierarchy is a bit different and much smaller. Strollo was a made member and the local media in Youngstown would refer to him as a "mob boss" because he was the most powerful mob figure in Youngstown since none of the other guys were made. He was also referred to as a Capo, and technically, he was a capo since he ran the entire Youngstown crew.
The same for Henry "Zebo" Zottola, who has been listed by certain media outlets as a made guy, when in fact he was a very trusted, high ranking associate and close to Genovese and Porter. Families like Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Northeast Pennsylvania and Buffalo had to have made members approved by one of the New York families, mostly the Genovese Family in New York, which didn't really open the books very often for the smaller families. Hence, Cleveland, Pittsburgh and the rest of the smaller families are now defunct because of death, prison sentences, and defections.
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Re: mafia outside the northeast?
[Re: sickstylemob12]
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02/02/12 04:42 AM
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LA family getting back up, putting the pieces back together. Alot of money to made there . Not sure where you got that. There is no real family left there. Not even a cohesive crew at this point. Pete Milano is more or less a boss in name only. Jimmy Caci recently died. Louie Caruso lives in Arizona. Not sure what Tommy Gambino is up to. A few other guys are in prison or basically retired. Los Angeles has always been too far away from the mob's traditional power bases. Even in the old days, the LA family was small potatoes. So it isn't so much a matter of money to be made there as there is nobody to take advantage of it.
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