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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: Mick2010] #627866
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Originally Posted By: Mick2010
heres a new article about the possible return of Vito in 2012. Interesting to note that law enforcement in Quebec consider Desjardins to be the number 1 guy in Quebec organized crime, and suggest that Montagnas ally Arcuri would be more occupied with just protecting himself these days.


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2012: the return of Vito?


"If Vito sets foot in Montreal, it will pass." This sentence is a policeman who said to me in late summer. At that time, nobody would have found a reason to doubt it. Seven months earlier, the extermination of the Sicilians had been sealed with the last breath of the father of Vito Rizzuto, the old patron, Nicolo, who was killed in the kitchen of his house.

You had to have powerful men in as orderly process, without reply, to the elimination of a clan that had ruled the Mafia in Montreal for 30 years. And at the end of last summer, these men seemed to be in the saddle and have established a new order.

However, on September 16, everything changed with the attempted murder against Raynald Desjardins, and strife between the former allies who had caused the fall of the Sicilians have come to light.

He who aspired to become the new sponsor, Salvatore Montagna was killed, and Desjardins, considered by police as a number 1 of organized crime in Quebec right now, is in prison for the murder.

Is not

Who can become the sponsor does not cease to ask for it this week? The answer: nobody. The Calabrian and brother-in-Desjardins, Joe Di Maulo? At the age of 70 years, it is not interested, we are told. The Calabrian Moreno Gallo? The referee is back in jail recently and is also younger. The businessman Domenico Arcuri, whose name comes up frequently in recent months? Former ally of Montagna would be occupied to protect themselves from these days, they say.

There are still on dry land "men of honor," or clan leaders who have a little scale and influence, but the title sponsor they are not interested, too busy doing business.

I do not think the great families of New York or Ontario can send an emissary in the light of the fate that was reserved for Montagna.

While some believe that the arrest of Desjardins will end the bloodshed, I fear the contrary, in the absence of leadership and those who refer the settling of accounts will continue in the Mafia, as was perhaps the case for the murder of Lorenzo Lo Presti and the attempted murder against Antonio Pietrantonio.

The stars align

Should a man do some unanimity, respected and charismatic, with an iron fist in a velvet glove.

This is exactly what was Vito Rizzuto before being imprisoned in the United States and its succession, Francesco Arcadi in mind, saw the storm.

Vito Rizzuto was an outstanding arbitrator, a mediator of conflicts that knew everyone happy and keep the peace between the various criminal organizations, the Hells Angels, gangs and other criminal underworld in order.

Vito Rizzuto is released from prison in next October. He still has important allies in Montreal and outside, waiting, lurking in the shadows.

A few months ago, he said the depth of his dark cell in Florence, Colorado that will wait to see who will come to him. The parade may be about to begin.

But the Rizzuto clan no longer exists. If he comes back and gets his blessing, Vito will run alone. It will be closer to new families of New York with his clan which had broken for years and deal with influential by Calabrese.

It surely will not leave unpunished the murder of his son, but must have permission to avenge him.

If, after his release, Vito returned to Montreal to settle there again, it will be a strong sign that he is back in the good graces of the Montreal Mafia. Especially if it ensures that it is a businessman and he cut all ties with organized crime then this is again saying that the sponsor.



http://fr.canoe.ca/infos/regional/archives/2011/12/20111229-082400.html


Longstanding Montreal Mafia member Moreno Gallo decided not to fight his deportation to Italy -- in fact, he boarded a plane to Italy today. He was born in Rovito, Calabria.

Link to article:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/Mobster+linked+Montreal+mafia+deported+back+Italy/5946337/story.html

Mobster linked to Montreal mafia deported back to Italy
The Gazette
January 4, 2012 2:41 PM

MONTREAL- Moreno Gallo, a 66-year-old Montreal mobster who did time for a gangland murder, was on his way out of Canada Wednesday, his lawyer confirmed, after giving up his fight against deportation.

Gallo was on his way to Italy of his own accord but under escort of the Canada Border Services Agency, said his lawyer Stephen Fineberg.

“He’s being deported to Italy and from there he’s able to move freely,” Fineberg said, declining to note which city in his birth country Gallo was destined for, not where Gallo untimately plans to settle. “He’s a free man for the first time since 1974.”

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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: NJBoy55] #627870
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So I guess we could erase Gallo from the list as one who could succeed as boss in Montreal. Could his decision have something to do with the current situation in Montreal?


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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: Sonny_Black] #627880
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
So I guess we could erase Gallo from the list as one who could succeed as boss in Montreal. Could his decision have something to do with the current situation in Montreal?


On forums like this one, posters often speculate what Italian organized-crime figures were thinking at one time. Or are thinking now. I am no different so I will only speculate.

Gallo's deportation seemed inevitable, even with his attempts to fight it; the article mentions he finally gave up the fight. I'm sure he would rather have stayed in Canada, just as Sal Montagna would have preferred to stay in the US. (And we should recall that, after voluntarily choosing to be deported to Canada and settling in Montreal, Montagna tried through his lawyer to return to the US.)

Now, if we're asking whether Gallo is better off living in Italy, are we asking whether he'll be safer? Happier he'll be out of the fray? Relieved he won't be questioned by Canadian law enforcement about all the murders and attempted murders? Perhaps we should wait to see whether his lawyer will mount a legal challenge to return to Canada, but I doubt the challenge will happen.

With Sal Montagna's murder, Raynald Desjardins's arrest, and Moreno Gallo's deportation, I wonder whether law enforcement now has fewer sources for clues in their investigation of the murders of Paolo Renda, Agostino Cun trera, and Nick Rizzuto Sr. Were Montagna still alive, I doubt whether, if arrested, he would have supplied law enforcement with information about the murders. (But you never know.) Gallo was arrested and put back into detention a week after Montagna's murder; he was also questioned about this murder. So I don't know what to read into Gallo's decision to abandon his deportation battle. If he could have supplied law enforcement with valuable information, would his deportation have been deferred? Or, as I wrote above, is he relieved to be leaving?

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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: antimafia] #629253
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Some very nice info, AM.

Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: antimafia] #631683
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Originally Posted By: antimafia
Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
So I guess we could erase Gallo from the list as one who could succeed as boss in Montreal. Could his decision have something to do with the current situation in Montreal?


[snip]
Gallo's deportation seemed inevitable, even with his attempts to fight it; the article mentions he finally gave up the fight. I'm sure he would rather have stayed in Canada, just as Sal Montagna would have preferred to stay in the US. (And we should recall that, after voluntarily choosing to be deported to Canada and settling in Montreal, Montagna tried through his lawyer to return to the US.)

Now, if we're asking whether Gallo is better off living in Italy, are we asking whether he'll be safer? Happier he'll be out of the fray? Relieved he won't be questioned by Canadian law enforcement about all the murders and attempted murders? Perhaps we should wait to see whether his lawyer will mount a legal challenge to return to Canada, but I doubt the challenge will happen.


My hunch was wrong.

Link to article: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2012/01/25/19294266.html

Deported killer wants to return
By QMI Agency
January 25, 2012

MONTREAL — A suspected adviser to the Rizzuto crime family, who agreed to be deported to Italy, has done an about-face and now wants a Federal Court judge to approve his return to Canada.

Moreno Gallo, a convicted murderer and popular baker in Montreal's Little Italy neighbourhood, filed the motion days after his expulsion on Jan. 4.

The Canada Border Services Agency says Gallo has an "active implication in organized crime."

The 66-year-old had said through his lawyer that he'd rather live in Europe than face assassination amid an ongoing purge of top Rizzuto figures.

But in court documents filed in Winnipeg, Gallo says he is known as an upstanding citizen in Montreal, where he immigrated when he was nine years old....

Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: antimafia] #632269
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The Rizzuto family is still going a little strong up there in Canada it sounds like.

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Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
The Rizzuto family is still going a little strong up there in Canada it sounds like.


Though it may not be the Rizzuto organization so much anymore.


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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: NJBoy55] #632379
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It's nobody's organization anymore, it's a mess up there.


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can someone tell me how the rizzutofamily is organised? does it have the boss underboss and consigliere?


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They don't have a traditional hierarchy like the New York families have. You could compare their hierarchy more with the Chicago Outfit. Originally, the boss of the Montreal mafia was also a caporegime in the Bonanno family. This was during Vic Cotroni's reign. But in later years this became a symbolic status as neither Vito or Nick Rizzuto were officially caporegimes, yet they were in fact the bosses of the Montreal mafia. Sciascia was officially the caporegime, but in actuality served as the laison between the Bonannos and the Rizzutos and acted as the Montreal representative in the Bonanno family.

This is thought to be the administration around 2000.

Boss: Vito Rizzuto
Consigliere: Paolo Renda, Nick Rizzuto
Streetboss: Francesco Arcadi

And then you have other influential members, like:

Rocco Sollecito
Agostino Cun trera
Lorenzo Giorgiano
Francesco Del Balso
Moreno Gallo
Joe Di Maulo
Tony Mucci
Emanuele Ragusa
Raynald Desjardins

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nobody knows the real strucure since nobody ever flipped in that organization

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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: m2w] #632410
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Originally Posted By: m2w
nobody knows the real strucure since nobody ever flipped in that organization


Granted.


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Originally Posted By: Strax


That's a decent "basic" chart. However, Vito Rizzuto was said to be acting as the official boss and his father as an advisor.


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Raynald Desjardins

This guy sounds French.... Sure he is a made member of La Cosa Nostra??? He might be half Italian, though.

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he's french he's brother-in-law of di maulo

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Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Raynald Desjardins

This guy sounds French.... Sure he is a made member of La Cosa Nostra??? He might be half Italian, though.


Nope. He's related through marriage to Di Maulo and was close to Vito for some time. He's been a very visible participant in the Montreal scene for some time, its surprising you haven't heard of him.


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But is Desjardins a made member or just an associate?


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2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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according to mafia rules he couldn't be a made member but the fact he's very close to di maulo makes him important

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Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
But is Desjardins a made member or just an associate?


Not made, kinda doesn't need to be. He's close enough to the right people I guess.

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i'm sure that behind him there are the dimaulo's, he couldn't go at war with montagna by himself

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He's arrested in the murder case, yeah, but its ludicrous to think that he alone made designs on the top spot. Its the folks he's with, chiefly the Di Maulo, but also the alliances he's formed in decades or more operating in the midst of the Montreal mafia scene. Remember these are all pretty much career criminals we're talking about.

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I realise Im agreeing with m2's last three posts. But fuck, the guy has some knowledge, no doubt. Its that bucketload of crazy that goes along with certain aspects.

er.. tongue?

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Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Raynald Desjardins

This guy sounds French.... Sure he is a made member of La Cosa Nostra??? He might be half Italian, though.


That's why I said their structure is more similar to the Chicago Outfit, because they have influential non-made associates in high ranks.


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Originally Posted By: m2w
i'm sure that behind him there are the dimaulo's, he couldn't go at war with montagna by himself


Di Maulo would not be sufficient enough to approve of the murder of a made Bonanno member. It could also be that the Bonannos themselves approved of the murder as Montagna became too ambitious.


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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: m2w
i'm sure that behind him there are the dimaulo's, he couldn't go at war with montagna by himself


Di Maulo would not be sufficient enough to approve of the murder of a made Bonanno member. It could also be that the Bonannos themselves approved of the murder as Montagna became too ambitious.



It could also be that Desjardins and Co. didnt seek approval from anybody. The Sept 16th failed assassination attempt against Desjardins was likely all that was needed for them to start plotting the murder of Sal.

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yeah maybe desjardins killed montagna only coz he was scared of his own live,anyway the di maulo's were bonanno members too

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Originally Posted By: Mick2010
It could also be that Desjardins and Co. didnt seek approval from anybody. The Sept 16th failed assassination attempt against Desjardins was likely all that was needed for them to start plotting the murder of Sal.


And now it is said the Bonannos have put a contract on his head. Moreno Gallo was also warned his life was in danger. Shortly after, he left Canada for Italy.


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It could also be that Desjardins and Co. didnt seek approval from anybody. The Sept 16th failed assassination attempt against Desjardins was likely all that was needed for them to start plotting the murder of Sal.


And now it is said the Bonannos have put a contract on his head. Moreno Gallo was also warned his life was in danger. Shortly after, he left Canada for Italy.


Thanks for your info Sonny Black.

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so what is the rizzuto organisational structure? it doesnt really tell you in mafia inc. i personally believe its an internal warfare between the calabrians and sicilians. just finished the book


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