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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/30/12 04:52 PM
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Italian OC only gets one mention in the report and it's buried in the section about Mexican groups. the last year report mention italians several times, they were second after mexicans i doubt they disappear in just 1 year some report is full of bullshit maybe sicilians are still in the drugs heavily, caruana's in canada dicatate the routes ndrangheta have to talk with them before doing something in canada or the states, the real nadrangheta strenght is in europe not the americas they are subservient of cosa nostra there
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/30/12 05:39 PM
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/30/12 06:58 PM
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The New Jersey, Chicago (for the most part), and Detroit families really don't seem to be. you forgot they are the most secretive togheter with the genovese The Genovese family has had a number of busts involving drugs. Are you saying these other families have some kind of secret to avoid detection that the Genovese don't? Or could it be that they just aren't involved in the drug trade? Hmmm. italians are not like street gangs or mexicans they are more secretive, that's coz you find them so much a year and not another but sure they don't disappear just in 1 year Again, there have been plenty of mob-related drug cases involving the NY families and, to a lesser extent, those in New England and Philadelphia. But you can go back over a decade now and see not one drug case connected to the DeCavalcante family in New Jersey or the Detroit family. And only a couple loosely connected to Chicago.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/30/12 07:02 PM
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italians are not like street gangs or mexicans they are more secretive, that's coz you find them so much a year and not another but sure they don't disappear just in 1 year im so sick of hearing things like this. yes, not everything is known about the mafia but plenty is. people need to get this idea out of thier head that these guys are like the cia, and less so every decade. also we can all pretty much agree that the mafia in north america are mid-level dealers at best. as far as international goes the calabrians are kings of that with the scicilians in a greatly diminished role, period!
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/30/12 07:14 PM
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agree that the mafia in north america are mid-level dealers at best in canada they are the top dogs, in the states they are not anymore but heavily mentioned in the drug report in 2009 described as the strongest after mexicans and stronger than asian oc cubans an dominicans... so they are still involved especially behind the scene no, no, no. in new york where the mob is still very viable every enthnic group you listed are bigger players than the italians.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/30/12 09:25 PM
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in the states they are not anymore but heavily mentioned in the drug report in 2009 described as the strongest after mexicans and stronger than asian oc cubans an dominicans... so they are still involved especially behind the scene
The 2009 DEA report didn't say that at all. In terms of the drug trade, Italian OC/LCN was listed along with the Mexicans, Asians, Colombians, Dominicans, and Cubans. The Mexican groups were said to be at the top throughout the country, except the northeast, where there is more competition from the other groups. If anything, the report gave the impression that Italian OC/LCN was last in terms of a narcotics trafficking priority. Probably why they haven't been mentioned the last two years. There is little to no Italian mob presence in the drug trade outside of the northeast. And that's because upwards of 90% of the mob's membership is found in the northeast. The NY families are still very involved in drugs but, to call them the "top dogs" in the drug trade there would be an exaggeration. And there is some involvement by the New England and Philadelphia families. The bottom line is, other groups that are basically strictly drug-trafficking organizations are going to have more involvement than LCN families; who depend on other rackets as well, particularly illegal gambling.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/30/12 09:51 PM
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in the states they are not anymore but heavily mentioned in the drug report in 2009 described as the strongest after mexicans and stronger than asian oc cubans an dominicans... so they are still involved especially behind the scene
The 2009 DEA report didn't say that at all. In terms of the drug trade, Italian OC/LCN was listed along with the Mexicans, Asians, Colombians, Dominicans, and Cubans. The Mexican groups were said to be at the top throughout the country, except the northeast, where there is more competition from the other groups. If anything, the report gave the impression that Italian OC/LCN was last in terms of a narcotics trafficking priority. Probably why they haven't been mentioned the last two years. There is little to no Italian mob presence in the drug trade outside of the northeast. And that's because upwards of 90% of the mob's membership is found in the northeast. The NY families are still very involved in drugs but, to call them the "top dogs" in the drug trade there would be an exaggeration. And there is some involvement by the New England and Philadelphia families. The bottom line is, other groups that are basically strictly drug-trafficking organizations are going to have more involvement than LCN families; who depend on other rackets as well, particularly illegal gambling. dead on. the northeast because of its many ethnic groups is probably the only region in the us that is not completly dominated by the mexicans, although the sinaloa cartel, widely regarded as the most powerful criminal org on earth, still has a large presence there.the huge ports in jersey/new york are the main source of the drug importation in the area, and with the many carribean islands used as a stop over it is logical that the columbians, dominicans, cubans, and puerto ricans are behind alot of the imports. the closest the mob comes to being the top dog would be in the pill markets imo.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/30/12 10:05 PM
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the mob was heavily involved in distribution in queens and other districts, it's not clear who are the biggest importer, mexicans are not top dogs importer in the northeast probably colombians are and much drugs come to montreal or quebec (italian mafia) i don't know if the families are involved in some shipping but it could be since they have big deal in new york and jersey ports reasonable post. columbians might still be the biggest importers, MIGHT, but the mexicans, sinaloa in particular, are gaining steam fast and its only a matter of time before they are the biggest, if they arent already.the northeast is unique in the fact that its one of the last places, along with florida, that drugs enter the us on a big scale. estimates range from 75%-90% of drugs enter the us through the immense southwest border. granted, large amounts of drugs do enter montreal but i wonder how much of them come through the us first. besides most of the drugs that reach montreal are to be dispensed across canada anyways.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/30/12 10:29 PM
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are so big that no matter how big the setbacks in europe they are not involved at all the cocaine come directly from colombia in the states mexicans are so bis because of their proximity to american southern border correct, alot of the coke comes direct from columbia but the calabrians do alot of buisness with los zetas. thing is that most of the major columbian cartels were shattered in the early 90's, and with the exception of the Norte del Valle Cartel, have splintered into numerous small competing factions more concerned with getting all the drugs to mexico asap.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/31/12 01:23 AM
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italians are not like street gangs or mexicans they are more secretive, that's coz you find them so much a year and not another but sure they don't disappear just in 1 year im so sick of hearing things like this. yes, not everything is known about the mafia but plenty is. people need to get this idea out of thier head that these guys are like the cia, and less so every decade. also we can all pretty much agree that the mafia in north america are mid-level dealers at best. as far as international goes the calabrians are kings of that with the scicilians in a greatly diminished role, period! Yeah, it always irks me when people talk about how secretive the mob is and how much we don't know about them. There are definitely people that are genuinely secretive (Tony Federici and Tino Fiumara come to mind). However, the feds are generally on top of things. These guys aren't geniuses. LCN gets busted all the time. Some families are better at taking the blows but none of them are immune.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/31/12 09:04 AM
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more prone to violence it doesn't mean more powerful, mafia is sure more powerful in detroit that bikers or street gangs so i bet they would win a war in a long period the outlaws are based out of chicago, and in the case of an all out war they have alot of more manpower to call on. granted, size doesnt always dictate power but the detroit mob would not do well in an all out war with a biker org as feared as the outlaws. theres a reason the outfit uses them for musle. also, if you think the dertroit mafia is more powerful than the many street gangs of detroit i couldnt disagree more. detroit is a hell hole run by murderous savages while whats left of that family is a bunch of old men concentrating on gambling rings. your right when you say that being prone to violence doesnt always mean more powerful, however if the mob stepped on the toes ofsome of those gangbangers they wouldnt think twice of taking revenge on family or relatives. drug gangs play by different rules. I have to disagree. Are you really trying to argue that guys the mob hires for muscle are more powerful than the ones paying them? That's like saying a soldier is more powerful than the Don because he uses them for muscle. As far as man power goes, I think they would be about even as for every "made member" there are 5-10 associates. Bikers walk around with jackets IDing who they are and I believe the mob would have a much easier time knocking off key members of bike gang more so than the other way around. IF you are familiar with the book "the 6th family" Even someone as highly ranked as HA Mom Boucher was subservient to Vito, granted Detroit might not be as powerful as Montreal. They would never fight anyway. more prone to violence it doesn't mean more powerful, mafia is sure more powerful in detroit that bikers or street gangs so i bet they would win a war in a long period the outlaws are based out of chicago, and in the case of an all out war they have alot of more manpower to call on. granted, size doesnt always dictate power but the detroit mob would not do well in an all out war with a biker org as feared as the outlaws. theres a reason the outfit uses them for musle. also, if you think the dertroit mafia is more powerful than the many street gangs of detroit i couldnt disagree more. detroit is a hell hole run by murderous savages while whats left of that family is a bunch of old men concentrating on gambling rings. your right when you say that being prone to violence doesnt always mean more powerful, however if the mob stepped on the toes ofsome of those gangbangers they wouldnt think twice of taking revenge on family or relatives. drug gangs play by different rules. I have to disagree. Are you really trying to argue that guys the mob hires for muscle are more powerful than the ones paying them? That's like saying a soldier is more powerful than the Don because he uses them for muscle. As far as man power goes, I think they would be about even as for every "made member" there are 5-10 associates. Bikers walk around with jackets IDing who they are and I believe the mob would have a much easier time knocking off key members of bike gang more so than the other way around. IF you are familiar with the book "the 6th family" Even someone as highly ranked as HA Mom Boucher was subservient to Vito, granted Detroit might not be as powerful as Montreal. They would never fight anyway. some good points and although they would probably never fight this is a hypothetical situation. also for every full patch member of a biker gang there are many more prospects and hang-arounds just as the mob has associates. when the mob hires other groups out for muscle its for mutual benifit as in montreal. not trying to argue that the ha was more influential in montreal, as they have been decimated recently but to think that the rizzutos would give orders and the ha would follow blindly doesnt fly with me. working together is better for everyone which is why groups prefer to work together. bikers are very independent by nature and to think that any group would dictate to them what to do and not expect serious blowback just inst viable. i enjoyed the 6th family but christ that book made it seem like the rizzutos were the most powerful criminal org on earth so i tend to take all the hype with a grain of salt. Boucher was certainly not taking orders from Vito but IMO it was clear Vito was first amoung equals and made several decisions such as who he would sell to and the price of Cocaine and Hash that Mom objected to but ended up towing the line anyway. Now had anyone else made a decision that Mom Boucher didn't like he surely would have reacted much differently.
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