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Re: Top Family [Re: BridgeportVet] #630000
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Originally Posted By: BridgeportVet
He was not. Paul Ricca ran the Outfit during that time period, with Accardo & in place as underbosses. This proved to be unsuccessful & it was decided that Giancana would take the reigns. After Giancana, Joey 'O'Brien' Aiuppa abruptly took hold of the Outfit, placing Jackie Cerone & Joe B. as consigliere & underboss, respectfully. So no, Joe Batters was never the boss of the outfit, always used as a smokescreen & a mediator, and that's the way Ricca/Aiuppa wanted it, they were the most long-term successful Outfit bosses because no one knew their names, and they stayed out of court (until the whole Vegas thing when Aiuppa & Cerone went down). Tony Accardo didn't mind going down in history as a "top boss", even though anyone with any real Outfit knowledge will laugh at the notion.

I'm new to this website, the general crowd seems to be folks with mainly knowledge of the East Coast factions. I've read a bunch of false Outfit trivia during the short time that I've been a member.


Accardo was the boss and to say he was never boss is ludicrous, and as far as Giancana being bulletproof - I gotta laugh at that - he was shot seven fucking times, I do consider myself to have some "real" outfit knowledge and I think you got a little mixed up buddy ... where do you get your information from?


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Re: Top Family [Re: gemini_killer] #630001
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Originally Posted By: gemini_killer
Originally Posted By: BridgeportVet
He was not. Paul Ricca ran the Outfit during that time period, with Accardo & in place as underbosses. This proved to be unsuccessful & it was decided that Giancana would take the reigns. After Giancana, Joey 'O'Brien' Aiuppa abruptly took hold of the Outfit, placing Jackie Cerone & Joe B. as consigliere & underboss, respectfully. So no, Joe Batters was never the boss of the outfit, always used as a smokescreen & a mediator, and that's the way Ricca/Aiuppa wanted it, they were the most long-term successful Outfit bosses because no one knew their names, and they stayed out of court (until the whole Vegas thing when Aiuppa & Cerone went down). Tony Accardo didn't mind going down in history as a "top boss", even though anyone with any real Outfit knowledge will laugh at the notion.

I'm new to this website, the general crowd seems to be folks with mainly knowledge of the East Coast factions. I've read a bunch of false Outfit trivia during the short time that I've been a member.


Accardo was the boss and to say he was never boss is ludicrous, and as far as Giancana being bulletproof - I gotta laugh at that - he was shot seven fucking times, I do consider myself to have some "real" outfit knowledge and I think you got a little mixed up buddy ... where do you get your information from?


Right.
Giancana held the top spot for only 8 years, just before being chased out of Chicago by his peers. Does that make him the all time greatest gangster?
Then what about Joe Profaci who ruled for 35 years? Or Magaddino for over 40 years? Or Bonanno for close to 40 years etc...?


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Re: Top Family [Re: gemini_killer] #630003
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Originally Posted By: gemini_killer
where do you get your information from?

Voices in his head?

Re: Top Family [Re: LCN1987] #630004
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lol


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You say your 72, if they come back and tell me to give you a message - and if you want to defy it ... I assure you that you will never reach 73 - Joey "the clown" Lombardo
Re: Top Family [Re: HairyKnuckles] #630007
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Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
I don´t get your posts, BridgeportVet.

Accardo WAS the outfit boss in the 1940s and 1950s
And Giancana, the greatest gangster of all time?
Let´s not get carried away here...
don't worry this guy is just a troll and giving people a hard time....


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Re: Top Family [Re: HairyKnuckles] #630025
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Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
I don´t get your posts, BridgeportVet.

Accardo WAS the outfit boss in the 1940s and 1950s


In early 1960's, there is an FBI audio recording of high ranking Genovese saying that Ricca still had to approve decisions. This is while Giancana was acting boss. I'm not sure if this was the case when Accardo was boss though.

Re: Top Family [Re: gemini_killer] #630105
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Anthony Accardo was NEVER the boss of the Chicago Outfit. Anyone with real knowledge on them knows this, it's just common knowledge.

Where do you goons get your Outfit info from? lol only folks that watch YouTube & Outfit documentaries believe the incredibly effective deception that Accardo was ever boss. He was consigliere & front boss all his life, and he was content with that position.

Seriously, this is supposed to be a forum about real life LCN knowledge & I have only seen folks with Hollywood knowledge. Ask me anything you like, I understand that the Outfit is the most secretive syndicate & very little about what really goes on within their realm, but a select few of us are in the know. I thought I would be generous by coming here to share/trade some information on the Chicago Outfit, but so far I've only gotten nasty, juvenile feedback.

Outfit Bosses from 1931-on:
1931-1943: Ricca/Nitti
1943-1957: Ricca/Accardo
1957-1966: Moe Giancana/Ricca/Accardo
1966-1967: Sam Battaglia
1967-1969: Jackie The Lackey Cerone
1969-1971: Milwaukee Phil Alderisio
1971-1986: Joey Aiuppa/Jack Cerone/Tony Accardo (IN THAT ORDER)
1986-1989: Joe Ferriola
1989-1993: Black Sam Carlisi
1993-present: Johnny 'Bananas' DiFronzo

So as you can see, Accardo was never full-on boss. Kudos to the Outfit for continuing to confuse people on the matter to this very day.

Re: Top Family [Re: BridgeportVet] #630108
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Originally Posted By: BridgeportVet
I understand that the Outfit is the most secretive syndicate & very little about what really goes on within their realm, but a select few of us are in the know.

So I guess that makes you a rat, right?

In one breath you say how secretive Chicago is, in the next you make a boastful post like this one.

You can't have it both ways. If you really are "in the know," then you're a R-A-T.


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Re: Top Family [Re: gemini_killer] #630109
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Seems like history is repeating itself on this forum. wink


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Re: Top Family [Re: BridgeportVet] #630110
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Originally Posted By: BridgeportVet
Anyone with real knowledge on them knows this, it's just common knowledge.


A little contradictive, no?


"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
Re: Top Family [Re: gemini_killer] #630111
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Call me what you will, I'm not on board with what they do. I have a plethora of Outfit knowledge & it just frustrates me when I see/read falsities that are printed about them, as that is exactly what they want.

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Common knowledge among those in the know*

Re: Top Family [Re: BridgeportVet] #630121
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Originally Posted By: BridgeportVet

Where do you goons get your Outfit info from?


I'm glad you're not rude and inconsiderate.

Some would argue that from mid 1940's up to about 1957, Accardo was defacto boss and Ricca was in a consigliere role. Accardo was respected as the go to person in that period by NY bosses, but there is evidence that the same was not always true for Giancana.

Re: Top Family [Re: gemini_killer] #630123
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Those that would argue that would be 100% incorrect. It was the opposite. People believe the Accardo myth because Paul Ricca was JUST THAT GOOD at hiding himself, so was Moe Giancana & so was Joey O'Brien, which is why those goes are the top 3 Outfit gangsters of all-time (Ricca & Aiuppa would be up there regardless based on profits/assets alone). Accardo wasn't any more respected than anyone else, he was the Outfit's main speaker/rep during that time period. In no way, shape, or form does this mean that he was "the boss". Moe Giancana hated NY & everything it stood for, he looked at them as complete goofs & if he could have had it his way, he wouldn't have done any business/mingling with those clowns at all.

Re: Top Family [Re: Sonny_Black] #630135
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BridgeportVet: I'm sure many of us on this board would appreciate your "generousity" in sharing your knowledge of the Mob with us, but we'd like it better if you tried to maintain the high standard of courtesy and civility we maintain here.

Put another way: Quit calling people "goons," and if you want to brag, stand in front of a mirror.


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Re: Top Family [Re: gemini_killer] #630142
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So how has DiFronzo been so secure in power since '93?


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Re: Top Family [Re: BridgeportVet] #630148
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Originally Posted By: BridgeportVet
Call me what you will, I'm not on board with what they do. I have a plethora of Outfit knowledge & it just frustrates me when I see/read falsities that are printed about them, as that is exactly what they want.
if we bother you so much than leave!!!!!!


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Re: Top Family [Re: BridgeportVet] #630149
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Originally Posted By: BridgeportVet
Moe Giancana hated NY & everything it stood for, he looked at them as complete goofs & if he could have had it his way, he wouldn't have done any business/mingling with those clowns at all.
look how well that ended up for him......


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Re: Top Family [Re: gemini_killer] #630163
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Johnny Bananas DiFronzo is one of the most fascinating, polarizing Outfit bosses of all-time, hands down. He runs a very streamlined, zipped-up Outfit. He is of the Aiuppa/Cerone/Accardo school of Outfit bosses, meaning he is very shrewd & succinct. Everything is secured & backed-up ten fold. There are many rumours about JDF being a dry snitch, and those rumours probably have some truth to them, but it really doesn't matter at this point, no one is touching DiFronzo's Elmwood Park crew. He is also protected by the legendary Marco 'The Mover' D'Amico (consigliere at the moment) & his brother Pete DiFronzo, who is the current Outfit underboss. These are both two very wealthy & ruthless individuals (especially Marco) who's personal crews are some of the most infamous in modern Outfit history.

Getting rid of the Marcellos & the Calabreses was a big relief for DiFronzo, as those crews were pretty much the last of the savage street monsters. DiFronzo shuns any type of reckless street action. Needless to say, he is not particularly well-liked by Outfit guys outside of Elmwood/Melrose Park. Like I said, Johnny Bananas is an Aiuppa type boss in the sense that there are absolutely no hand-outs & you eat what you kill. Regardless of personal opinion on the man, he is an undisputed juggernaut in the world of organized crime & has always managed to stay under the radar (save for Operation Gambat)

Re: Top Family [Re: gemini_killer] #630196
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BridgeportVet, maybe you should show us some proper sources before anyone would even consider believing you...


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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
BridgeportVet, maybe you should show us some proper sources before anyone would even consider believing you...


C'mon, Sonny, he's from Chicago. He doesn't need to provide any sources. HE IS THE SOURCE!


Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.
Re: Top Family [Re: gemini_killer] #630313
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lol I like it Dick.

He definitely knows how to use an adjective thats for sure. He may be wrong about...well everything...but those adjectives really make you wanna believe hes not an 18 yr old fan whose pop told him about the old neighborhood.

Re: Top Family [Re: spmob] #630321
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Sources or STFU.

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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
BridgeportVet, maybe you should show us some proper sources before anyone would even consider believing you...


C'mon, Sonny, he's from Chicago. He doesn't need to provide any sources. HE IS THE SOURCE!


You're right, I humbly apologize.


"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Enough with the comments about Vet's crap. It is obvious he is not to be taken seriously but let us not vilify him, either.


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By the way, what do you think about Aiuppa? I heard much about Giancana being Accardo's and Ricca's puppet (don't know if it's true, I don't have first-hand information). But Aiuppa, was he a power by himself like BridgeportVet says or do you think he was just a puppet like the other front men?
I am asking this to understand better if the "Strawman" trial in which Aiuppa was one of the main defendants was a hard blow for the Outfit or did the law enforcement just scratch the top of the iceberg.

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Nicholas whats the mickey mouse connection ? I want in !!!
Originally Posted By: Nicholas
So how has DiFronzo been so secure in power since '93?


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Originally Posted By: spmob
lol I like it Dick.

He definitely knows how to use an adjective thats for sure. He may be wrong about...well everything...but those adjectives really make you wanna believe hes not an 18 yr old fan whose pop told him about the old neighborhood.


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Originally Posted By: BridgeportVet
Anthony Accardo was NEVER the boss of the Chicago Outfit. Anyone with real knowledge on them knows this, it's just common knowledge.
Hey ya Oldman u look like uncle junior u should lick paula deens asshole
Where do you goons get your Outfit info from? lol only folks that watch YouTube & Outfit documentaries believe the incredibly effective deception that Accardo was ever boss. He was consigliere & front boss all his life, and he was content with that position.

Seriously, this is supposed to be a forum about real life LCN knowledge & I have only seen folks with Hollywood knowledge. Ask me anything you like, I understand that the Outfit is the most secretive syndicate & very little about what really goes on within their realm, but a select few of us are in the know. I thought I would be generous by coming here to share/trade some information on the Chicago Outfit, but so far I've only gotten nasty, juvenile feedback.

Outfit Bosses from 1931-on:
1931-1943: Ricca/Nitti
1943-1957: Ricca/Accardo
1957-1966: Moe Giancana/Ricca/Accardo
1966-1967: Sam Battaglia
1967-1969: Jackie The Lackey Cerone
1969-1971: Milwaukee Phil Alderisio
1971-1986: Joey Aiuppa/Jack Cerone/Tony Accardo (IN THAT ORDER)
1986-1989: Joe Ferriola
1989-1993: Black Sam Carlisi
1993-present: Johnny 'Bananas' DiFronzo

So as you can see, Accardo was never full-on boss. Kudos to the Outfit for continuing to confuse people on the matter to this very day.


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