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Re: fbi files on ol dirty bastard and wutang clan
[Re: Scorsese]
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That about sums it up. I now believe that 2pac was simply in way over his head with guys like Suge Knight. Im not saying that Knight was directly responsible, but indirectly contributed. There used to be a guy here named Vinny Gorgeous. He was an asshole. We did, however, have a great discussion on the murder, and he cleared up some misconceptions with some interesting video and such. The discussion can be found here; http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...true#Post599734
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Re: fbi files on ol dirty bastard and wutang clan
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I would ambush them and take there shit. There bling is worth alot and I'm sure they carry alotta cash on them...and I know they have guns and security thats why I said ambush lol Havent seen that but i think that mobsters have been known to hang out with stars. Never know might have just been some young associates who were fans or something i doubt there all sinatra fans.. As far as the biggie murder is concerned they found some new evidence recently about the bullets used which further implicates off duty police officers working for suge knight.
Whats your theory on the tupac murder?
I think it was just retaliation from the crips waiting outside for the guy tupac and his deathrow entourage beat up.
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Re: fbi files on ol dirty bastard and wutang clan
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01/11/12 09:05 PM
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You should read have gun will travel by ronin ro. Its about the rise and fall of death row records and goes into knights gang links and a whole bunch of murders and violence that occured around that time. I agree with you about tupac he started to think that he was one of bloods and could take part in actual gang feuds. There was another theory that p diddy paid the crips to kill him but i think thats bullshit. Yeah, I second that book. One of the best true crime books Ive ever read
"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
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Re: fbi files on ol dirty bastard and wutang clan
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01/11/12 09:50 PM
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Did you catch the file on Christopher Wallace/Biggie Smalls? It alleges a link between his camp and certain Genovese elements. Parts are heavily redacted, and in no way am I stating it as complete fact, but its an interesting aside. my theory on this is that it's kind of B.S. - there was a rapper out of Yonkers named 'Genovese' (an Italian kid who's real last name is Genovese) who was in the Yonkers rap scene. In the later part of his career Biggie Smalls was working with a group from Yonkers (The LOX) who had just signed to the same label Biggie was on. The Lox would bring Genovese the rapper around Biggie sometimes. I honestly think that was the actual link but it's just speculation on my part If you're interested in the rap industry and its ties to crime you should check out this book "Notorious C.O.P." by Derrick Parker. Parker was a NYPD guy who doubled as a rap party promoter and lead the NYPD's "rap crime task force". It's horribly written and theres probably a lot of bullshit (has a lot on the 2pac, Biggie, Jam Master Jay murders peppered with Parker's opinions, theories, and what happened from "sources") - but theres some really interesting stuff regarding how intertwined street crime was with the rap scene, especially in the 1980 and early 90s
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Re: fbi files on ol dirty bastard and wutang clan
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Mickey come to my neigborhood 20 years ago all Italian, now its all inspiring rappers lol. Nice find. Not many of us seem to be interested in this facet of the rap music industry, I however am fascinated. Thanks Scorsese.
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Re: fbi files on ol dirty bastard and wutang clan
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That about sums it up. I now believe that 2pac was simply in way over his head with guys like Suge Knight. Im not saying that Knight was directly responsible, but indirectly contributed. There used to be a guy here named Vinny Gorgeous. He was an asshole. We did, however, have a great discussion on the murder, and he cleared up some misconceptions with some interesting video and such. The discussion can be found here; http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...true#Post599734 he is still my friend. talk to him daily. he was not an asshole. just misunderstood
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Re: fbi files on ol dirty bastard and wutang clan
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Phatty, I read a lot of his posts when I used to lurk here, Vinny posted a lot of good shit and a lot more of stupid jokes, however his posts regarding the murders of Tupac and Biggie, particularly Tupac was some of the best stuff I've ever read regarding their murders.
"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
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Re: fbi files on ol dirty bastard and wutang clan
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That about sums it up. I now believe that 2pac was simply in way over his head with guys like Suge Knight. Im not saying that Knight was directly responsible, but indirectly contributed. There used to be a guy here named Vinny Gorgeous. He was an asshole. We did, however, have a great discussion on the murder, and he cleared up some misconceptions with some interesting video and such. The discussion can be found here; http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...true#Post599734 he is still my friend. talk to him daily. he was not an asshole. just misunderstood Ask him how was Vegas. He was a dumb fucking asshole. No misunderstanding about it.
La madre degli idioti e' sempre incinta.
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Re: fbi files on ol dirty bastard and wutang clan
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That about sums it up. I now believe that 2pac was simply in way over his head with guys like Suge Knight. Im not saying that Knight was directly responsible, but indirectly contributed. There used to be a guy here named Vinny Gorgeous. He was an asshole. We did, however, have a great discussion on the murder, and he cleared up some misconceptions with some interesting video and such. The discussion can be found here; http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...true#Post599734 he is still my friend. talk to him daily. he was not an asshole. just misunderstood Ask him how was Vegas. He was a dumb fucking asshole. No misunderstanding about it. i know all about yours and his "friendship" he even showed me your facebook page. your very attractive tag!
I hate Dicknoses!!!!!!
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Re: fbi files on ol dirty bastard and wutang clan
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01/12/12 12:02 AM
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That about sums it up. I now believe that 2pac was simply in way over his head with guys like Suge Knight. Im not saying that Knight was directly responsible, but indirectly contributed. There used to be a guy here named Vinny Gorgeous. He was an asshole. We did, however, have a great discussion on the murder, and he cleared up some misconceptions with some interesting video and such. The discussion can be found here; http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...true#Post599734 he is still my friend. talk to him daily. he was not an asshole. just misunderstood Ask him how was Vegas. He was a dumb fucking asshole. No misunderstanding about it. i know all about yours and his "friendship" he even showed me your facebook page. your very attractive tag! We were never facebook friends, but I see he's been interested enough in me over the past couple years to look me up on facebook. Good to know. I have that affect on people. Yes, I know I'm attractive, but it's always good to hear. Thanks.
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Re: fbi files on ol dirty bastard and wutang clan
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lol..what an asshole....vinny " da asshole" Gorgeous asshole asshole asshole!!!! LOL head with guys like Suge Knight. Im not saying that Knight was directly responsible, but indirectly contributed. There used to be a guy here named Vinny Gorgeous. He was an asshole. We did, however, have a great discussion on the murder, and he cleared up some misconceptions with some interesting video and such. The discussion can be found here; http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...true#Post599734 [/quote]he is still my friend. talk to him daily. he was not an asshole. just misunderstood [/quote]
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Re: fbi files on ol dirty bastard and wutang clan
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Re: fbi files on ol dirty bastard and wutang clan
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lol..what an asshole....vinny " da asshole" Gorgeous asshole asshole asshole!!!! LOL head with guys like Suge Knight. Im not saying that Knight was directly responsible, but indirectly contributed. There used to be a guy here named Vinny Gorgeous. He was an asshole. We did, however, have a great discussion on the murder, and he cleared up some misconceptions with some interesting video and such. The discussion can be found here; http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...true#Post599734 he is still my friend. talk to him daily. he was not an asshole. just misunderstood [/quote] [/quote] send my best to vinny tell him hes missed in the forum
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Re: fbi files on ol dirty bastard and wutang clan
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01/12/12 08:05 PM
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You should read have gun will travel by ronin ro. Yeah, I second that book. One of the best true crime books Ive ever read Ill have to keep an eye out for it. Did you catch the file on Christopher Wallace/Biggie Smalls? It alleges a link between his camp and certain Genovese elements. Parts are heavily redacted, and in no way am I stating it as complete fact, but its an interesting aside. my theory on this is that it's kind of B.S. - there was a rapper out of Yonkers named 'Genovese' (an Italian kid who's real last name is Genovese) who was in the Yonkers rap scene. In the later part of his career Biggie Smalls was working with a group from Yonkers (The LOX) who had just signed to the same label Biggie was on. The Lox would bring Genovese the rapper around Biggie sometimes. I honestly think that was the actual link but it's just speculation on my part If you're interested in the rap industry and its ties to crime you should check out this book "Notorious C.O.P." by Derrick Parker. Parker was a NYPD guy who doubled as a rap party promoter and lead the NYPD's "rap crime task force". It's horribly written and theres probably a lot of bullshit (has a lot on the 2pac, Biggie, Jam Master Jay murders peppered with Parker's opinions, theories, and what happened from "sources") - but theres some really interesting stuff regarding how intertwined street crime was with the rap scene, especially in the 1980 and early 90s Thanks, thats quite interesting, and may very well be possible. The files are heavily redacted after all, and its easy to assume that Genovese would be a reference to the crime family. Ill definitely read up more on that. I haven't read the book you mentioned, but one I have read and enjoyed I think was called "Fat Cat, 50 Cent and the Rise of the Hip Hop Hustler". It covers a lot of the stuff you talked about, including 50 Cents early 'blacklisting' in the rap industry, the Jam Master Jay murder and the links between Supreme McGriff and Murder Inc. It too cites the parellels between early crack kingpins like Fat Cat and latter day "gangsta" persona rappers. As an aside, one thing thats always amused me is the irony in so many rappers taking on Gotti's name, who was a virulent racist in reality. He's probably turning in his grave. As if his grandkids weren't bad enough.
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