does it seem like more of the italian-american criminals are becoming bikers than mobsters these days, Pagans mc has alot of members in their club that is italian so as Hells Angels, Chuck Zito.

Maybe today, Botz. When I was growing up, we looked at long haired bikers the same way as was depicted in "A Bronx Tale."

In the Italian American culture of that era, we really didn't take a good view of guys with long hair and beards. Now that may not be politically correct, but it's honestly how we saw them.

Chuck Zito was an exception, but he was so fucking tough that he was able to move back and forth between both worlds.

It's fairly common for some Italian-American and Italian-Canadians to become bikers. Some Italians aren't born into mafia circles nor do they want to be. Either way, the bikers have evolved into a very sophisticated bunch these and for the most part, are tougher and meaner than most mafiosi.

Here in Quebec one of the main Hells Angels in the South Chapter is Salvatore Cazzetta. An Italian guy who grew up in a French-Canadian area. where you grow up has an impact as well.

Other Italian-Canadian guys belong to biker Clubs in Ontario aswell andI could understand these guys preferring bikers over joining the mob. The mafia is often elitist and exclusive.

Hells Angels in Canada , Alaska all over the world and I know thar are Italian members.

I used to Ride, Long Beard, Tatoo's , yes I do know the life. I have scar's , stainless steel screws, SS Plates, holding body parts together. I used to love Motorcycles and still do. I have rode all types, prefered the Harley's .

I would like to by a small Dukati (?) just for laughs and giggles.

Steve Mondevergine was leader of the Pagans in south philly grew up with Joey Merlino and they remained good friends. Joey had the mob history background in his family so it was easier probably for Joey to be in the mob. Steve Mondevergine probably didn't have mob roots but if Steve chose the mob path it would have probably have taken Steve longer to get into the mob.

good post

thanks there is not alot talk about bikers on this thread.

so lets do it

Here are two Italian-Canadian Hell's Angels:

http://monteregieweb.com/main%20fr%2001_...amp;JournalID=8

Good , keep er up !

They are more sophisticated than they were that's for sure but I don't think they are nearly as sophisticated as LCN nor the Ndrangheta. I could be wrong but I haven't seen any reports or indictments of the HA pulling stock fraud and pump and dumb scams as well as the offshore casino's and labor union infiltration,not to mention stealing wind energy which brings in tens of millions a year.

The HA are the most sophisticated of the biker gangs and they sure have come along way in the last 15 years or so compared to how they were in the 70's and 80's.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...aud-712462.html

http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-news...nd-wind-energy-

Bandidos mc seem to be growing bigger than HA.

Salvatore Cazzetta formed in 1986 outlaw motorcycle gang The Rock Machine M.C,feared for his ties with the canadian mafia



Cazzetta, a former friend of Hells Angels Quebec chapter president Maurice Boucher, the Rock Machine competed with the Hells Angels for the street-level drug trade in Montreal. The Quebec Biker war would see them and a number of other gangs form an alliance to fight a seven year conflict, which left over 160 people dead and countless injured, from 1994 to 2002.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Biker_war

The Hells Angels in British Columbia have been involved in offshore, online gambling casinos/sportsbooks, as well as quite a few "pump and dump" stock frauds.

They have also infiltrated labour unions in Ontario and Quebec.

In Ontario there are a lot of "ethnic" Hells Angels and they're into everything.

Its just who you know.Im sure that if u go to Bensonhurst the young IA who want to be gangsters dont even think theres any other crew than there local mob captains crew.Philly i think the IA are more americanised than the NY guys.But its also a much more serious life being in one of the 5 families than a bike club.The bike clubs still have not produced guys like Roy demeo or tommy pitera it just shows u that lcn is much more cut throat

the italian-americans in philly yeah i would think so americanised, the philly mob don't have much any more. I think in New York families there is certain italian "ethnic" requirements to be in a certain crime family in New York.

http://gangstersout.blogspot.com/2010/03/salvatore-cazzetta.html

Salvatore Cazzetta

The Vancouver Gang War is tied to the Hells Angels and is spreading across the country. Clearly there is no loyalty among crack and meth dealers. In memory of Chris Mohan, Ed Schellenberg, Geoff Meisner, Britney Irving, Dain Phillips, Lindsay Buziak and all the many others including Stephanie Lange and Ashley Machiskinic betrayed and murdered by the Big Red Machine. Let us never forget who the real rats are. Stop the Greed. Rat out a real rat.

Salvatore Cazzetta is the leader of of the Montreal Chapter of the Hells Angels and was arrested with Burton Rice in 2009 for contraband cigarettes. Police claim they used the Rice compound to traffic contraband cigarettes and crack cocaine. What an interesting combination.

Turns out that Cazzetta was a founding member of the Rock Machine and only recently crossed over to join the Hells Angels a few years ago. Turns out that Cazzetta was friends with Mom Bouchard before Bouchard joined the Hells Angels.

They were leaders of a small white supremest biker gang called the SS. Interesting to know that the biker club that claims to have it's origin as a military squad in WWII has so many references to Nazis and the SS which is exactly what the military in WWII fought against. Barger's Filthy Few patch replaced the SS lightening bolts with the number 666.

Nevertheless, Bouchard and Cazzetta were friends in charge of their own white supremest biker club working towards membership in the Hells Angels. Then the Lennoxville Massacre set them on different paths.

In March 1985 the Hells Angels chapter in Lennoxville, about 90 miles east of Montreal, invited members of the Laval chapter for a party. When the Hells Angels from Laval arrived at the party, they were ambushed and shot in the head by Hells angels from Lennoxville. One source claims they thought the Laval chapter was squandering drug profits by consuming too much of the product themselves.

Cazzetta was pissed and saw the massacre as a betrayal and violation of the biker code. Bouchard, the convicted rapist didn't have a problem with it and joined the Hells Angels. Cazzetta didn't and helped form the Rock Machine.

Interesting to note that is was likely a similar betrayal that brought Cazzetta back to the Hells Angels. The Rock Machine fought the Hells Angels because the Hells Angels were bullies who taxed everything like Rome. Not only did the Hells Angels sell drugs but they said no one else can sell drugs unless you pay the tax and pay their dues.

The Rock Machine refused and stood apart from Rome like Sparta. Only the noble quest for freedom was replaced with the right to sell drugs and pimp women without paying taxes to the Hells Angels. Somewhat different than Sparta.
The Rock Machine's web site claims they joined with the Bandidos until a similar betrayal called the Bandido Massacre and are now small but separate once again.

Once source claims that the reason for the Bandido massacre was because the Toronto chapter was holding back the Winnipeg chapter from full membership and the Winnipeg chapter wanted to take over. The source claims that a deal was struck between the Winnipeg chapter and the U.S. Bandido leadership wherein if they were to murder the Toronto leadership, the Winnipeg leadership would take over.

Seemingly the Rock Machine rightfully saw this as a betrayal and violation of biker code and is why they have separated themselves from the Bandidos. Perhaps that event is what triggered Cazzetta's return to the Hells Angels.

Nevertheless, the Bandido massacre does not make the Lennoxville massacre right and it clearly appears to be a method of operation for the business operations of the politically driven Hells Angels.

Salvatore Cazzetta has a long history of drug trafficking. So now he sells drugs for the Hells Angels which clearly is a criminal organization whose primary business is selling drugs. He pays their dues and supports their tax. He has bowed down and bent over for Rome like most other political opportunists before him. He is not an enemy of the Rock Machine, he's just another disappointment.

Living the Dream has nothing to do with selling crack and refusing to let anyone else sell drugs, cigarettes or sex in your neighborhood while you profit from it yourself.

Do you have any sources? Can you link us to any articles? The HA infiltrating labor unions in ON? I doubt it but I'll keep an open mind and wait for a source.

http://bitterqueen.typepad.com/friends_of_ours/quebec-federation-of-labour/

That's a quick source for biker involvement in Quebec's unions. Criminal infiltration of labour unions is not as bad in Ontario, but I know a lot of bikers that are in various construction unions. And to be honest I'm too lazy to go searching for articles.

Italians can become what ever they want to become... About the Bikers in the US, there's many Hells Angels, Outlaws, Pagans, Diablos, grim reapers, vagos and warlocks that are of full blooded, half and or a quarter Italain descent.

Free Souls (Whites only)
Hells Angels (used to be Whites only till they made it ok for other races to become full members in 1998)
Vagos (mostly a Hispanic biker gang with a few Whites)
Banditos (even though they use a Spanish name they are a Whites only biker gang)
Highwaymen (Whites only)
Warlocks (Whites only)
Mongols (mostly a Mexican-American biker gang with a few Whites)
Soul Brothers (Blacks only)
Devils Diciples (Whites only)
The Breed (Whites only)
Galloping Goose (Whites only)
Sons Of Silence (Whites only)
Diablos (Whites only)
Grim Reapers (Whites only)
Hangmen (Whites only)
Iron Horsemen (Whites only)
Top Hatters (Whites only)
Vampires (Whites with some Hispanic members)
Savage Skulls (Puerto Ricans and Blacks only)
Savage Nomads (Puerto Ricans only)
East Bay Dragons (Blacks only)
Black Spades (Blacks only)
Henchmen (mixed race MC)
Gypsy Jokers (Whites only)

there's a biker club outside philly known as the breed that was caled the soprano's on wheels in their gangland on spike. said it was structured like the mob and ran by Italians.

They did not have a very long existent

i thought they were around for a while from like the 60's up until the mid 2000's. i don't know much about them. if it weren't for that gangland show i would know nothing about them. not a real big fan of that gangland show. i just saw this post about bikers and italians and remembered about the breed.

Spartan

I don't doubt that the Montreal Mafia has infiltrated the construction unions and that's exactly what the article in that link states. Nothing in there about bikers. Anyone can "be in a union". Most plumbers, carpenters, construction workers ect are, but corrupting a union is a different matter entirely.

I can believe this as far as gangs. I do believe there are many Italian's that love Bikes , Scoots, etc.. The life of a so Club , just don't fit. . It is a read between the lines, riding a Dukati, for a pleasure ride is totally different. I have meet so many from different country's that love the wind in their hair, and the freedom of riding, also the danger of riding. But not being in so called big gas, oil, beards, dirt filled, smelly , situations ! Just Sayen ! There are also many good clubs , Cop's have clubs, Church's have clubs, etc.. Ass kicken,eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth whay ever you have left ain't Italian

100% agree with you, a club is not a gang. there a prob 100,000's of clubs out there with no criminal ties whatsover. wich is why the biker gangs use the 1% patch because they are the 1% that are horrible people

Jersey boy, I went to the Diablos website. Though I did see one dark skinned dude who looked Mexican, those bikers are straight white boys with the 'zeig heil' salute and swastika

Just do a simple google search and type in "hells angels" and "quebec construction unions" and see what you get.

Regardless, all unions are corrupt.

There's still a few of the Breed guys around.

Yup, especially in Bucks county PA, Bristol/Levittown to be specific. Almost all white dudes, many w/ a strong neo-Nazi tinge.