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Re: Murder attempt on Antonion Pietrantonio last night [Re: Sonny_Black] #626178
12/22/11 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: Mussolini14
Interesting stuff Sonny, thanks for sharing and I stand corrected.


It wasn't really meant to correct you, Mussolini. I'm aware you said it unwittingly. I was only trying to prevent something to be blown out of proportions. I you state if were 16 SUVs, someone will read and before you know it someone else later states it were 32 SUVs. And when one reads that, they will probably think "OMG these guys are more powerful than Lucky Luciano ever was". Sixth Family redux.


Yes you are certainly right Sonny, and again I apologize. At first I thought you were giving me attitude so I gave it back but now I realize what you meant an hope we can squash this. I honestly enjoy your posts and believe you to be one of the better informed posters. I honestly thought I read there were 13 SUV's and smaller cars involved but as I said before, I stand corrected.

Re: Murder attempt on Antonion Pietrantonio last night [Re: m2w] #626179
12/22/11 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: m2w
i doubt the murder of rizzuto jr has nothing to do with the other killings, it seems strongly related... i doubt tony magi or everyone killed the son of a boss just for a debt, i think it was a message that the rizzuto reigns was over, probably somebody didn't listen and they killed nick sr [BadWord] rera and the others
what i wonder is who planned all the murders, montagna and desjardins togheter or a group only
desjardins was an ally of rizzuto in the past so i bet montagna groups carried all the previous killing, probably zips coming from ny


I agree with you. I too have a very hard time believing the killing of Nick Ruzzuto JR had nothing to do with the other killings. When Montanga arrived in 2009 he apparently met with Nicolo SR and told him to step down and that his time was up and demanded 10 years worth of tribute + interest. SR refused and 6 weeks later Nick Jr was killed. I don't think this is a coincidence.

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Re: Murder attempt on Antonion Pietrantonio last night [Re: Sonny_Black] #626180
12/22/11 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica
Ive kinda gone in and out of these Montreal threads for a while since Montagna et al; it seems like certain people just keep throwing out so many theories that, when one of them tenuously sticks or fits the mould, they feel that they can hold it up and "safely assume" that they have deduced the truth of the matter.

There's either the clinical even-handedness of the figures or the "You have no idea how sneaky these guys are :wink wink:" approach. The best posts come from the guys that can admit there needs to be more information released before they can completely form a solid opinion. The "A leads to B, and therefore confirms C because THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG" posts are ridiculous enough in themselves.

Having said that, there's obviously a handful of guys across the board that continuously post insightful and illumininating. Like antimafia and Laurentian. Especially those guys.


Isn't this what these forums are supposed to be for, Mickey? Theorizing and discussing things? Maybe we should all lay back and don't make posts at all because obviously we don't know shit...


Nope, you're missing the point of my post. Its not so much the endless theorising, its more the assumption that said theories are anything more than that. Like some random guy in The Netherlands or Italy has a better grasp of whats going in Montreal than any other person who reads the same books, articles and press releases.

EDIT: Re-reading the post, it kind of sounds like Im attacking you Sonny. Thats was very much NOT my intention. You're actually one of the better posters, and Ive liked you well enough since Ive started reading your posts. My beef is more about people going out on limbs by claiming they've got it all figured out, until the next development, when they either admit they're as lost as anyone else, or dig themselves deeper by trying to weave the event into supporting their claims.

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Re: Murder attempt on Antonion Pietrantonio last night [Re: eurodave] #626182
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Interesting article here, another shitty translation though:


http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/que...ne-alliance.php



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On December 28, 2009, the eldest son of Sicilian godfather Vito Rizzuto, Nicolo junior, was shot in the Notre-Dame-de-Grace. The murder was probably commissioned by a businessman rather than angry opponents mafia. However, men who aspired to replace the Rizzuto clan noted that this assassination was followed by no retaliation. The field was clear.

They formed, five, college management. After a year, their unity was shattered. Three of them are off: Salvatore Montagna was killed last month, Raynald Desjardins and Vittorio Mirarchi were jailed this week for his murder. The other two, and Joe Di Domenico Arcuri Maulo, burrow. Now more than ever, the Mafia is no direction. Portrait.

Domenico Arcuri

Sicilian origin, his father has the same name. Former taxi driver, the old Domenico Arcuri was the right hand of Pietro Sciara, consigliere leaders Vic Cotroni and Paolo Violi. Killed in 1976, Sciara was the first victim of the clan Violi. Like many others, Arcuri was stored in the winning side of Rizzuto. In exchange, he received factory Ital Gelati Italian Ice.

His son Domenico, now aged 51, inherited his business. Domenico Jr. and his brother Antonino participated in the Carbon Neutral company, which specializes in soil remediation. Raynald Desjardins joined them in this endeavor, but only for a while.

The brothers already knew Salvatore Montagna Arcuri on his arrival in Montreal. Domenico joined him to demand the "Pizzo" from businessmen. It is through him that Montagna has met Desjardins. When the conflict broke out this year, "Sicilians" Arcuri and Montagna have a common front against Desjardins and "Calabria" Di Maulo and Mirarchi.

Joe Di Maulo

68 years old, he is a pillar of the Montreal Mafia. In 1965, he accompanied Vic Cotroni the marriage of Paolo Violi in Hamilton. At 28, he was accused and acquitted of a triple murder in his club, The Casa Loma. After the assassination of rape, he was placed in the camp of Rizzuto.

In the early 90s, he collaborated with Vito to make off with the gold of the Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos. He has accompanied several Vito in the Dominican Republic. Rich and discreet, Di Maulo is especially busy directing his many companies. Respected each other, enjoying wide support in Ontario, it has not sought to become the new sponsor of Montreal. However, he agreed to act as consigliere to Desjardins.



Salvatore Montagna was assassinated on November 24.



Salvatore Montagna

He was born in Montreal in 1971, but grew up in Sicily, in the small town the birthplace of the American Mafia leaders like Joseph Bonanno. He moved to New York at age 15. At 36, he was promoted to Deputy Head of the Bonanno family. The authorities find that he did not U.S. citizens and expel. Arrived in Quebec in the spring of 2009, it is discreet. After the murder not punishable by Nicolo Rizzuto Jr., he decided to exercise its power.

It multiplies the travel in Ontario. With his support, he made it clear to the old Nick Rizzuto, Vito's father, that his reign is over. It sends grazing and is murdered. Other members of the Rizzuto clan are eliminated, and as Paulo Renda Agostino [BadWord].

Montagna sees the possibility of enriching themselves by imposing the 'Pizzo' mafia tax previously claimed by Rizzuto. He sought to whopping influential businessmen of the Italian community of Montreal. Raynald Desjardins accused of taking too much space. This is the rupture. Montagna was assassinated on November 24, and 40. Police accuse Desjardins and his accomplices in the murder.


The boss Raynald Desjardins appeared Wednesday morning at the Joliette courthouse for the murder of mafioso Salvatore Montagna.



Raynald Desjardins

Francophone Quebec, Desjardins, 58, absorbed the Italian Mafia culture. It endorsed the values ​​of respect and loyalty. These qualities, combined with an undeniable fighting spirit, made him climb the ladder. His sister married Joe Di Maulo and himself married the mafia. Long right arm of the godfather Vito Rizzuto, he developed relationships with the Hells Angels and street gangs. In 1994 he was sentenced to 15 years in prison for importing 740 kg of cocaine from Venezuela.

Released on parole in 2004, he embarked on residential construction, taking advantage of good advice from Jocelyn Dupuis, general manager of the FTQ-Construction. Officially, it still runs and Investments Lasister Kane and company numbers. When he bought his house in Laval in 2007 on the banks of the Rivière des Prairies, he said he had divorced and remarried failing.

He turned against the old Nick Rizzuto and his associates after the murder of his friend Giovanni Bertolo, drug dealer and union representative painters of the FTQ-Construction. He played a leading role in the "college of management" which replaced the Rizzuto clan, but it soon came into conflict with Montagna and Arcuri. On September 16, he was the victim of attempted murder. If convicted for the murder of Montagna, he spent years in prison.

Vittorio Mirarchi

His father, Calabrian origin, was known in Ontario, but he himself went under the radar for years. 34 years old, very rich, living in a large fortified house in Sainte-Adèle in the Laurentians, has long focused investing mountains of dirty money. He bought a luxury condo at 1000 rue de la Commune, in the Old Port. His name appears in transactions on another condo, boulevard Couture in St. Leonard, and buildings in Laval and Montreal.

He has been involved in coffee Luna, establishment of Rivière-des-Prairies, where employees gathered to Raynald Desjardins. Anti-Mafia investigators of Operation Coliseum on suspicion of being involved in drug trafficking, but they have not stuck. He is now charged with Raynald Desjardins, the murder of Salvatore Montagna.



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Re: Murder attempt on Antonion Pietrantonio last night [Re: Mussolini14] #626229
12/23/11 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mussolini14
I agree with you. I too have a very hard time believing the killing of Nick Ruzzuto JR had nothing to do with the other killings. When Montanga arrived in 2009 he apparently met with Nicolo SR and told him to step down and that his time was up and demanded 10 years worth of tribute + interest. SR refused and 6 weeks later Nick Jr was killed. I don't think this is a coincidence.


Mussolini, Mafia Inc. describes that Montanga went to Nick Rizzuto one week before he was killed and apparantly told him that his reign was over.

It were also the writers of Mafia Inc. that first stated that the Montreal police thought the murder of Del Peschio and Nick Jr. were linked to each other, but not to the other killings. They describe that a "business man" ordered their murder and that it was carried out by a street gang. This business man can likely be Tony Magi, as he was apparantly close to Nick Jr. and also to Joseph Ducarme, a street gang leader. Shortly after Nick Jr.'s murder, Ducarme was almost killed by two assassins. The next day he was arrested while he was in Tony Magi's office.

Before readings this in Mafia Inc.'s epiloque, most of us also thought that these murders were part of the onslaught.


"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
Re: Murder attempt on Antonion Pietrantonio last night [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica] #626230
12/23/11 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica
EDIT: Re-reading the post, it kind of sounds like Im attacking you Sonny. Thats was very much NOT my intention. You're actually one of the better posters, and Ive liked you well enough since Ive started reading your posts. My beef is more about people going out on limbs by claiming they've got it all figured out, until the next development, when they either admit they're as lost as anyone else, or dig themselves deeper by trying to weave the event into supporting their claims.


I reacted to you're post because I felt it was pointed to me, but I guess I'm a bit too paranoid. wink

Anyway, you're right about what you state. And I've said a lot myself lately, sometimes it's better to cool down for a while a reconsider things, instead of making hasty conclusions. I should follow antimafia's example.


"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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