they took over the gambino family through johnny gambino the bonanno's and the genovese's so far

the zips rule what is left in the american commission now, i think they want de vita as boss of the genovese's
the zips run a multibillionaire worldwide empire and have connections in the all 5 continents it's better not to fuck with them

lol i didn't know the two more continents you mean
anyway, the zips litterally ruled the world at one time

Nice to see you as well, carmela. Also nice to read your posts again.

I perhaps should have mentioned a few other details about Montagna and his deportation:

[*]He had dual citizenship (Canadian, Italian) but not American citizenship.

[*]He almost received his green card several years ago. If he had received it, he would not have been deported.

[*]Even back in April 2009, when he was deported -- he chose to go to Canada rather than Italy -- his lawyer was wrangling to try to have Montagna stay in the US, as this was Montagna's wish. After Montagna was deported, he still wanted to return to the US, and his lawyer continued to fight for this on Montagna's behalf till reality set in: Montagna would not be able to return.

Nevertheless, I cannot give short shrift to Montagna's activities (including meetings) in Quebec and especially in Ontario once he knew that a return to the US was not in the cards. (I am especially curious as to who his contacts in Ontario were before he was deported.) While the attempted murder of Raynald Desjardins and the murders of Lorenzo Lo Presti and Montagna make clearer, for some posters, who is or was on whose side, I am still perplexed by Domenico Arcuri Jr.'s helping to introduce Montagna to Desjardins and by Lorenzo Lo Presti's association with Montagna (assuming this is true). Arcuri's and Lo Presti's respective families descend from the Rizzutos' hometown in Sicily, and I have reasons for suspecting the likelihood of Arcuris and Lo Prestis intermarrying with Rizzutos and Cammalleris, both in Montreal and Toronto.

The Arcuris of Montreal and Giacinto Arcuri of Toronto (a noted mafioso in Ontario's underworld) were known to have established ties to the Bonanno Family in New York: Domenico Arcuri Sr. (Domenico Jr.'s father) and Giacinto Arcuri are related to Giuseppe Arcuri, a New York soldier in the Bonanno Family. Giuseppe, who died in 2001, co-owned a pizzeria in Long Island with Gerlando Sciascia, and according to The Sixth Family co-author Adrian Humphreys, there apparently were Montreal Mafia members who attended Giuseppe's wake.

Law enforcement has speculated that Domenico Arcuri Sr. wed, many, many years ago, the niece of Nicolino Alfano, a New York Bonanno.

If Montagna was representing Rizzuto-organization interests before the murder of Nick Rizzuto Sr., would Montagna have told Nick Rizzuto Sr. that the latter's reign was over? If Montagna was representing the interests of Sicilian members of the Montreal Mafia such as Domenico Arcuri Jr. and Lorenzo Lo Presti, and the latter were part of a group that was fed up with the Rizzutos' reign, then perhaps these individuals might be deemed as renegades in the Rizzuto faction -- but I have trouble understanding this.

Bear in mind that Lorenzo Lo Presti grew up living next dor to Vito and Nick Rizzuto Sr. Lo Presti was the one who identified his father's body at the morgue in 1992. I don't believe that, according to Sal Vitale, Gerlando Sciascia killed or arranged to kill Joe Lo Presti. I don't see Lorenzo and the Arcuris betraying Nick Sr. and Vito; however, much of the internal fighting in the Montreal Mafia in the last few years is a result of betrayals, the formation of factions, and the switching of allegiances.

Are you on Sicilian payroll?......must be:)

The Cosa Nostra both in American and in Italy is not what it used to be. That doesn't mean it doesn't exert influence in parts of Sicily or other locations but the Camorra and Ndrangheta have become far more dangerous over the last two decades.

Well, actually they are spread out across the continents even today. They still have businesses and contacts in places people don't normally expect, like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Russia.

EuroDave,

Your posts make zero sense. Your arguments are fantasy, you can't back up anything you say. And we all wonder why the "Euro" is such a mess. Your most likely from France. If that's the case you can plead ignorance. A Zip running the Genovese Family is a joke. And for the record there all called "Greaseballs" not Zip. Zip was a 70's phrase. And respect PizzaBoy! That I will tell you is who has earned it.

EuroDave,

Your posts make zero sense. Your arguments are fantasy, you can't back up anything you say. And we all wonder why the "Euro" is such a mess. Your most likely from France. If that's the case you can plead ignorance. A Zip running the Genovese Family is a joke. And for the record there all called "Greaseballs" not Zip. Zip was a 70's phrase. And respect PizzaBoy! That I will tell you is who has earned it.

it was my post eastharlem you can't even rad right...
it's very possible a so-called zip or greasball or whatever you call them they are sicilian-born living on the other side and yeah they could run the genovese's now through de vita or same other... gambino's and bonanno's are litterally in zips hands now and they are the major force inside the commission
they took over montreal from other zips (rizzuto's) just see how strong they are
they came back in palermo and they are feared by even rotolo men and corleonesi
they came back in milan, north italy, and made ndrangheta scared even there

the genovese's are mostly sicilians... not zips but people of sicilian descent like bellomo, mangano, dentico, de vita, muscarella and all the actual top dogs have sicilian origins
it was formed by sicilians (piddu morello)
yeah it was named after vito genovese who was napolitan but the hard-core remain sicilian and like i said de vita could took over since the zips run the commission now...
lol yes cosa nostra is maybe a shadow of its former-self but it's enough to be stronger than camorra and maybe even ndrangheta
1000 informants where? according italian police they were 300 250 from camorra and and 150 from ndrangheta
you forgot that the pressure of goverment in the 90s against sicilians were huge, i bet what would be left of camorra and ndrangheta under that kind of pressure...

and the family name doesn't even bear a Sicilian name,

That really has nothing to with that whatsoever. The name was given to them by the feds because Genovese happened to be their boss at the time. And when time went by mobsters apparantly adapted it. So that argument is as weak as the ones given by m2w.

More than you think.

"hence their decline and restructuring.......is that so hard to understand?"

i never said cosa nostra is strong like it used to be in the 80s 90s and before... i said that it survived the huge pressure from the goverment in the 90s and was able to restructure itself under provenzano reign
i wonder if camorra or ndrangheta would survive if attacked so heavily, i bet they would be downsize as street gangs

First, it's questionable whether there is really any working Commission at this point. There may be, there may not be. The last known meeting was over a decade ago now.

Second, no American LCN family is in "the hands" of Sicilian mobsters. Even the ones that have traditionally had a "Sicilian faction," like the Gambinos and Bonannos. These are Italian-American crime families. Some Sicilian guys may move up to high levels here and there but it's not like the Sicilians have taken over.

Third, the whole "Sicilianess" of these guys is overstated. Most of these guys have been in the U.S. for decades. Sometimes longer than they ever lived in Sicily.

Fourth, the 'Ndrangheta is - by all accounts - the strongest Italian crime group right now. They control the drug routes and are more active on an international scale. The Cosa Nostra isn't dead by any means but the Calabrians are #1.