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Who was behind the hit on Montanga?
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I know it's still very early but do you think the Rizzuto's are finally striking back?
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Re: Who was behins the hit on Montanga?
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It's not the Rizzutos hitting back, it's the same group who's been doing this since day 1.
It was not the same "group" anymore because Montagna was previously also part of it. Montagna was part of a group, most likely new Sicilians backed up Ontario. The same group is still gunning for them, eliminating any rebellious factions who don't fall in line. Montagna, Lopresti and Desjardins were the result of wanting to break off I believe.
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Re: Who was behins the hit on Montanga?
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Montagna was part of a group, most likely new Sicilians backed up Ontario. The same group is still gunning for them, eliminating any rebellious factions who don't fall in line.
Montagna, Lopresti and Desjardins were the result of wanting to break off I believe. So you think the groups isn't led by Di Maulo and the Cotronis? Di Maulo-Cotroni group is part of the coalition, but the main source of vendetta is Hamilton.
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Re: Who was behins the hit on Montanga?
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Montagna was part of a group, most likely new Sicilians backed up Ontario. The same group is still gunning for them, eliminating any rebellious factions who don't fall in line.
Montagna, Lopresti and Desjardins were the result of wanting to break off I believe. So you think the groups isn't led by Di Maulo and the Cotronis? Di Maulo-Cotroni group is part of the coalition, but the main source of vendetta is Hamilton. I agree.
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Re: Who was behins the hit on Montanga?
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Montagna was part of a group, most likely new Sicilians backed up Ontario. The same group is still gunning for them, eliminating any rebellious factions who don't fall in line.
Montagna, Lopresti and Desjardins were the result of wanting to break off I believe. So you think the groups isn't led by Di Maulo and the Cotronis? Di Maulo-Cotroni group is part of the coalition, but the main source of vendetta is Hamilton. But you mentioned Sicilians, possibly the Arcuris?
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Re: Who was behins the hit on Montanga?
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Montagna was part of a group, most likely new Sicilians backed up Ontario. The same group is still gunning for them, eliminating any rebellious factions who don't fall in line.
Montagna, Lopresti and Desjardins were the result of wanting to break off I believe. So you think the groups isn't led by Di Maulo and the Cotronis? Di Maulo-Cotroni group is part of the coalition, but the main source of vendetta is Hamilton. But you mentioned Sicilians, possibly the Arcuris? Montagna was close to the Arcuris........so yes that makes them part of the plot.
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Re: Who was behins the hit on Montanga?
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maybe montagna group allied with di maulo at first to took over the rizzuto's and after deleting them the two groups started fighting eachother but montagna answers to bonanno's he didn't do all by himself Was NYC part of the plot?.......after Montagnas murder, most definitely yes. To what extent is unknown, but the real source of revenge is Hamilton. As one Italian journalist said, this is a coalliton of sorts to redraw the criminal map in Montreal and Canada. Ontario, NYC and Montreal are now more entrenched than ever.
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Re: Who was behins the hit on Montanga?
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i think that ontario groups have absolutely nothing to do with it, the fact that some italian journalists clown said it doesn't mean it's the truth so according to you the ontario grous who are historically far weaker than montreal mafai moved war to rizzuto's and montagna? it's impossible To think they are far weaker is naive. Because they are less visible and more entrenched into main stream society doesn't make them weaker. I wouldn't call the Siderno Group and Hamilton weaker. They've actually grown in power over the last 20 years, because the Ndrangheta has too. Like I said, it's not just Ontario here, it's Ontario plus Montreal Mafiosi.
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Re: Who was behins the hit on Montanga?
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i think they are weaker and according to local police they are weaker i bet the growing ndrangheta in italy is right, but in canada the sicilians remain the strongest group by far "Were the strongest group by far"......would be more accurate. The Sicilians no longer dominate the heroin-cocaine trade in North America or Canada for that matter. The Hells Angels have their own supply routes these days and no longer need to buy from the Sicilians like they used to in the 80s and 90s. Times have changed.
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Re: Who was behins the hit on Montanga?
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i never said they dominate the heroin or cocaine trade, they are sure involved but nobody really dominates it but sure the sicilian cells in canada far exceed the calabrian ones in that country Not in terms of numbers or population that's for sure. 9 Locals and Hamilton's 3 groups far exceed the Sicilian numbers in 2011.
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Re: Who was behins the hit on Montanga?
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Montagna was close to the Arcuris........so yes that makes them part of the plot. The thing is, while the murders of Rizzuto and his allies seemed to be very well plannend and carried out with extreme efficiency, Montagna's murder certainly was not. This means that it was probably carried out by another group. If the assumptions about that supposed mob meeting are true, I'm considering two possible scenarios: 1. Montagna could have been involved in a dispute with Montreal AND Ontario mafiosi, and his murder could therefore have been ordered by Ontario and carried out by local mobsters. Or, 2. Montagna AND Ontario mafiosi became involved in a dispute with Montreal mafiosi which suggests a possible break in that coalition. Both are equally plausible IMO. But I'm tending to believe more in the second scenario. If Montagna knew he had no more allies, he would have likely been more warry to meet with other gangsters, possibly even unarmed and without a bodyguard. Montagna's trips to Ontario, and considering that the first murders were most likely organized by Hamilton, suggest he was allied with Ontario mobsters.
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Re: Who was behins the hit on Montanga?
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i never said they dominate the heroin or cocaine trade, they are sure involved but nobody really dominates it but sure the sicilian cells in canada far exceed the calabrian ones in that country Not in terms of numbers or population that's for sure. 9 Locals and Hamilton's 3 groups far exceed the Sicilian numbers in 2011. I'm not sure about that, if Ivyleague AKA wiseguy's statement is correct, namingly that the Toronto locali consisted of only 40 members.
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Re: Who was behins the hit on Montanga?
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Montagna was close to the Arcuris........so yes that makes them part of the plot. The thing is, while the murders of Rizzuto and his allies seemed to be very well plannend and carried out with extreme efficiency, Montagna's murder certainly was not. This means that it was probably carried out by another group. If the assumptions about that supposed mob meeting are true, I'm considering two possible scenarios: 1. Montagna could have been involved in a dispute with Montreal AND Ontario mafiosi, and his murder could therefore have been ordered by Ontario and carried out by local mobsters. Or, 2. Montagna AND Ontario mafiosi became involved in a dispute with Montreal mafiosi which suggests a possible break in that coalition. Both are equally plausible IMO. But I'm tending to believe more in the second scenario. If Montagna knew he had no more allies, he would have likely been more warry to meet with other gangsters, possibly even unarmed and without a bodyguard. Montagna's trips to Ontario, and considering that the first murders were most likely organized by Hamilton, suggest he was allied with Ontario mobsters. Montagna was a middle man for both groups and was trying to become top dog in Montreal while doing so. The next murder will determine what`s going on but there seems to be a pattern and so far, anybody Sicilian and close to the Rizzuto or involved with them is being executed. Montagna wanted a big slice and truth be told, why would some Bonnano boss be able to run Montreal?......he`s only lived here for two years and could have all the contacts in the world, but he`s not part of local social fabric. And the guy barely speaks any french, not a good thing.
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Re: Who was behins the hit on Montanga?
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if montagna like you said can't be able to run montreal i don't see like anyone from ontario could Nobody from Ontario will run Montreal. Were they part of the plot?......yes. Will they be calling the shots now?......no.
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Re: Who was behins the hit on Montanga?
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Montagna was a middle man for both groups and was trying to become top dog in Montreal while doing so. Why would Ontario mafiosi need Montagna as a middle man between them and Montreal? Those guys probably knew and worked with each other long before Montagna came to the scene. I think he was rather a middle man between them and New York, and maybe the Rizzuto murders were approved by New York through Montagna. I would go as far as suggesting that Montagna even initiated it. However, he still remained an outsider to local mafiosi. The next murder will determine what`s going on but there seems to be a pattern and so far, anybody Sicilian and close to the Rizzuto or involved with them is being executed. There seems to be a pattern indeed, but much of the evidence that we have suggests that Montagna wasn't exactly involved with the Rizzutos. Montagna wanted a big slice and truth be told, why would some Bonnano boss be able to run Montreal?......he`s only lived here for two years and could have all the contacts in the world, but he`s not part of local social fabric. True that. It seems like Montagna was killed by local mafiosi who probably had more than enough of his manoeuvres. But I doubt that it was actually carried out by the same coalition.
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