In mafia terms, that means he approved. The question is why?

I heard about that, its a shame, a few of us asked for you but no go im afraid, maybe in time, at least it seems to be active here and most are RD posters anyway.

Some crazy shit still going on up there, i thought it was all done with the death of Nicolo, maybe this is the second phase to kill the people who try to step up.

Regards

John W

Maybe because from the so called "man of honour" perspective, he knew it was a legitimate act of revenge?

I think youre absolutely right. The Bonannos werent behind the taking out of the Rizzutos. Approval for the hit on old Nick came from Hamilton. No approval from NY was needed. When Sal came to Montreal the writing was already on the wall for the Rizzutos. Mafia Inc mentions that Sal had nothing to do with the 2 murders that happened within the 1st 3 months of Sals arrival (Del Peschio, Nick Rizzuto jr.), but that Sal could see that the Rizzutos had lost the confidence of the citys underworld, and he decided to join forces with the winning team. Seems like he was highly respected at that point and welcomed with open arms into the ongoing conspiracy.

Im only speculating, but it seems highly likely that he just got too greedy for power. He should have been able to work WITH the local Montreal mob and the other Calabrians, but he probably wanted total control, and it cost him. Just my guess though.

It should be interesting to see what happens next.

Good points, Mick. And to note, I've never read Mafia Inc or any other mafia book for that matter. But I've also said in the past that Montagna will sit back, and see where the chips will fall and then choose the winning side. Which is why, I always referred to him as a 'man without a family'.

One thing I was dead wrong on and I'll admit, is I said over and over there would be no more killings after Nick. I was wrong on that. Obviously. But maybe things took a different turn up there and made a change of unplanned events that involved killing others.

So you think that Montreal answers to Hamilton now? Why would they need approval from Hamilton otherwise? If anyone would have wanted Nick to be killed it were the Hamilton guys. I would imagine it would rather be the other way around; approval from New York.

Anyway, I was about to go to bed when I read this news. Too flabbergasted right now...

Half the posts in the Montagna murder thread over in the Real Deal are Joey Cigars jokes.

I imagine he's got a Montagna memorial shrine set up by now, complete with portrait (that he painted himself) surrounded by candles.

No I dont think Montreal answers to Hamilton, but I do think the Hamilton families are now working much closer with Montreal, and possibly the Toronto families and the D'Amicos are as well. And maybe they have more of a voice in Montreal now.

Right now, it appears everything is uncertain with this war that is going on though. Who knows who answers to who right now.



Everything I have read suggests approval came from Hamilton. Maybe I should've worded it differently. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that the order came from Hamilton, but thats the way its been worded ins some articles I have read. such as these 2 for example: http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/national/archives/2011/01/20110107-044313.html

http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/national/archives/2011/01/20110108-070819.html

Local law enforcement seem to believe in the Hamilton theory. And they knew old Nick was going to be killed and warned him it was going to happen. I would think they have some pretty solid information if they knew of the contract well before the hit took place. If they knew of the contract, they must have some idea who was behind it. Of course I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt that Hamilton sought approval from the Bonannos.

this article was updated about a half hour ago. Some interesting stuff there, such as the theory that the Lorenzo Lo Presti murder was meant to be a message to Sal. Its definitely still unclear at this point who is on each side.

"Police sources believe there was a pact between Montagna and Calabrian-based ‘ndrangheta crime families in Ontario. Further, the Calabrian clans with links to Montagna have operations in New York which have been operating under the radar because law enforcement is focused on terrorism.

The first shots may have been fired by a coalition of Montagna’s clan and southern Ontario’s Calabrian groups, but police had been waiting for the response to determine who is on which side"

Very interesting........it also corroborates with the idea by Quebec journalists that Montagna was seen many times in Ontario.

Interesting to say the least. Sal definitely had a pact with Ontario calabrians. Whether that pact was still in tact at this point, is the question. If it was, it will be really interesting to see what the response will be. Whoever was behind this could have the Ontario calabrians and the Bonannos coming after them. I just get the feeling we may see another attempt on Raynald Desjardins life in the near future. Just a guess though.

I think that the pact was put into place to get rid of the Rizzuto reign and give the Calabrians more access to the Montreal distribution network, as well as the Bonnanos.

That being said, Montagna didn't have the blessing of established Montreal mafiosi and once they were able to eliminate Rizzuto, all the allies started fighting over who would take over, hence Lopresti, Montagna and Desjardins.

The most important point of all this bloodshed was the removal of the Rizzuto hegemony. Now that it's been accomplished, the Calabrians will work with whoever is left.

I, myself, wish David would reconsider with a few people. Sort of like a one-time amnesty thing or whatever. Tag, Maggio, Les Paul, to name a few. But Maggio got under David's skin like nobody I've ever seen.

You're sweet wiseguy, you really are. I always liked you. And you're probably one of those really hot mormons. But... just speaking for myself, there is nothing to reconsider, as I never even once approached Dave about my ban. He perm banned me, no first time offense, no warning, no temp ban..just a straight up perm ban..and I accepted it. There is not a chance that I would lower myself to ask to come back or to accept an invitation to come back. It was a harsh penalty, but one I was fully prepared to accept if it came to it.
Since reading my ban message a couple months ago, I have never heard a word from Tommy or Dave..and yet, my life seems to continue.

Back to the topic at hand.

The one thing I would say is that no one should underestimate the Bonannos.

A made man and high ranking figure of theirs is killed. If they didn't sanction it, they could respond just out of principle. These guys live by certain rules/codes, even today.

We will see what happens, i dont expect anything from NY.

I was reading in the NYPost how when Mike Virtuoso "The Butcher" was popped a while back the fbi seized a bunch of newspaper clippings of Bonanno mobsters he had been keeping- amongst those clippings where stuff about Montagna's deportation

I wonder how Montagna was viewed when he was Acting Boss in NYC, was he effective? I think he must have been a capable guy to be made Acting Boss in his 30s! Regardless of whether there was anybody left there is ALWAYS somebody older who is out on the streets that can be appointed.

Does anyone think that this will create violence in new york?

That video of the paramedics trying to revive Sal is badass. Looking dapper, shot and killed on thanksgiving morning, Blood in the snow.

prob not


i wonder what capeci will say about this in gangland...

You know how articles are always saying "it was a scene out of the Godfather" or "it was like the Sopranos"? This time, it really was!

Why not? Montreal is by rights the Bonanno territory and I doubt TG will just walk away when tens of millions are are stake. Not without a fight he wont.

Dapper, I concur. It probably help when he was closed to Vinny Gorgeous at the time. His Sicilian and Montreal links didn't hurt either.

Many observers reckoned the link between NY and Montreal was broken after the Sciascia's hit.

Back in the days it was quite normal for bosses to start young. Bonanno at 26, Luciano in his early thirties, Profaci, Trafficante, etc.

anyone think that the iron worker may have been hit by new york?

True that. Although it must be noted this was after a power struggle where a "new wave" took out the old guard of "moustache pete".

TG?

TG is too busy going back int he can with his recent arrest, besides with his daughters all over tv I think that made any boss ambitions he might have had out the window

unless the bonannos are that desperate to have him which i doubt

there are some other capable guys out there

the funny thing is a lot of papers show vinny gorgeous' picture as salvatore montagna. and this turkish paper also says that montagna was the official current boss and not the former acting boss.

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/planet/19323545.asp
http://america24.com/news/ucciso-mafioso-siciliano-ex-capo-della-famiglia-bonanno
http://www.corriere.com/viewstory.php?storyid=113992
http://www.antena3.ro/externe/familia-bo...rau-145342.html