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Re: Can the Decavalcante family Make a Comeback?
[Re: NickyScarfo]
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11/26/11 03:49 AM
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Current estimates put the total DeCavalante membership at 40-50 made guys. So, they're roughly the same size as the other small families that remain outside of NY - New England, Philadelphia, and Chicago.
That said, I think they will be the next to cross that line from "viable" to "non-viable." In the big case that spanned the late 1990's and early 2000's, the family had it's boss, 3 acting bosses, it's consigliere, 5 captains, and several soldiers and associates indicted. For a small family, that is a devastating blow in so short a time.
Since then, which is over a decade ago now, there has been relatively little discernible activity by the family. I'm not ready to write them off completely but they seem to have been running on fumes for some time now. There's only been a handful of small cases involving a few guys here and there being into sports betting, trafficking in bootleg cigarettes and stolen tax refunds, loansharking, and extortion - the last which included the family's acting boss Frank Guaracci.
Probably most importantly was the family's long time cash cow - Laborers Union Local 394 - being put under oversight in 2006.
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Re: Can the Decavalcante family Make a Comeback?
[Re: NickyScarfo]
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Do you think its possible they will be absorbed into a NY family in the future? No, because there's really no need to. Heck, the NY families (especially the Genovese) control most of the gambling, loansharking in New Jersey anyway. The Genovese also have the waterfront. The DeCavalcantes main source of power, at least in the past, was their involvement in the construction industry through Local 394. But most of the family was kicked out of the local and, as I mentioned, it was put under oversight 5 years ago. In my opinion, the family will just be further marginalized to what they have left in Union county. It would be impossible for them to be officially "absorbed" by another family; i.e. become the same family. But I suppose it's possible they could eventually get to the point where they're "with" a certain family, sort of like the Trafficante guys were "with" the Gambinos.
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Re: Can the Decavalcante family Make a Comeback?
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So the Sopranos portrayal is complete nonsense? I mean the power and influence they had. There rackets were mostly unrealistic? The basic idea of a small family based in Jersey came from the DeCavalcantes. But beyond that, Chase and the other writers used material from the whole NY/NJ underworld for their scripts. The Soprano's involvement in construction would be accurate. As well as other things like gambling, stock fraud, stolen goods, the strip club, etc. But not their involvement in the garbage business, the waterfront, etc. And their relationship with NY, where they're dealing almost as equals, was overblown. Especially when they went to war. But you have to allow for some dramatic license, I guess.
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Re: Can the Decavalcante family Make a Comeback?
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i still hold my stance in my mind that the sopranos are more related to the lucheesse nj faction! but we have had this argument on this board numerous times on numerous threads. I've thought that too, but the fact that they have a real boss, Tony, make me think strictly DeCavalcante
"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
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Re: Can the Decavalcante family Make a Comeback?
[Re: NickyScarfo]
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Personality wise, I'm sure Tony may have resembled Taccetta more. Though anytime that comes up, Palermo's association with producers is mentioned. Though that rat brags a lot. Speaking of, are Martin and Michael still locked up? I've locked for them using the U.S. BOP's inmate locator, later finding out they're in New Jersey state prison; they still in there?
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Re: Can the Decavalcante family Make a Comeback?
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The Soprano's resemble the Decalvacante's.
"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
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Re: Can the Decavalcante family Make a Comeback?
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I think gandolfini became tony soprano because he was the best man for the role, not for who he resembled !! In fact they propositioned Ray Liotta (who turned it down for fear of type casting hahahaha). This sort of proves that they were looking for the best actor, not a look alike.
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Re: Can the Decavalcante family Make a Comeback?
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As somebody else mentioned the Decalvacantes was a weak mafia family. now the Sopranos made them out to be as strong as New York which is ridiculos but they were basically the minor league mafia in a sense They were pretty weak nationally under Sammy DeCavalcante's reign, but I think they were fairly respected when Vinny Palermo was running things. Of course, when he flipped the domino effect did some irreversible damage. That's the way I see it.
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Re: Can the Decavalcante family Make a Comeback?
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As somebody else mentioned the Decalvacantes was a weak mafia family. now the Sopranos made them out to be as strong as New York which is ridiculos but they were basically the minor league mafia in a sense They were pretty weak nationally under Sammy DeCavalcante's reign, but I think they were fairly respected when Vinny Palermo was running things. Of course, when he flipped the domino effect did some irreversible damage. That's the way I see it. They were still much weaker than other other new york family. I mean gotti ordered them to do stuff and they did it which shows that they were basically a glorified crew
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Re: Can the Decavalcante family Make a Comeback?
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Haven't the Decavalcante Family made a pseudo comeback? I know they lost control over their local Liuna 394 but haven't they made like 10 guys in the past 10 years?
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Re: Can the Decavalcante family Make a Comeback?
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As somebody else mentioned the Decalvacantes was a weak mafia family. now the Sopranos made them out to be as strong as New York which is ridiculos but they were basically the minor league mafia in a sense They were pretty weak nationally under Sammy DeCavalcante's reign, but I think they were fairly respected when Vinny Palermo was running things. Of course, when he flipped the domino effect did some irreversible damage. That's the way I see it. They were still much weaker than other other new york family. I mean gotti ordered them to do stuff and they did it which shows that they were basically a glorified crew I'm not sure if it's fair to say they were subservient. I'm not sure its been fully pieced together. In whichever case, Gotti basically destroyed the DeCavalcante family by ordering the Fred Weiss hit. Some friend.
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Re: Can the Decavalcante family Make a Comeback?
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They were still much weaker than other other new york family. I mean gotti ordered them to do stuff and they did it which shows that they were basically a glorified crew every family outside new york at one time or another followed the orders from ny. after the bruno hit, new york put the pieces in place that they wanted, i would hardly call philly a glorified crew. if you ask me, that term gets thrown around way too often. imo a glorified crew would be families such as LA, tampa, cleveland ect.
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Re: Can the Decavalcante family Make a Comeback?
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They were still much weaker than other other new york family. I mean gotti ordered them to do stuff and they did it which shows that they were basically a glorified crew every family outside new york at one time or another followed the orders from ny. after the bruno hit, new york put the pieces in place that they wanted, i would hardly call philly a glorified crew. if you ask me, that term gets thrown around way too often. imo a glorified crew would be families such as LA, tampa, cleveland ect. I never said philly was a glorified crew they were the real deal. Just trying to be honest from what FBI agents and ex mobsters have called jersey. Im mean i just try to be honest as possible nothign against the jersey mafia lol
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