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Re: Diffrence Between Neapolitan and Sicilian Mobsters
[Re: IvyLeague]
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11/19/11 08:15 AM
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One thing is for sure, the Camorra in Naples is easily the most chaotic of the OC groups in Italy. Why do you suppose that is Ivy?
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Re: Diffrence Between Neapolitan and Sicilian Mobsters
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11/19/11 08:23 AM
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One thing is for sure, the Camorra in Naples is easily the most chaotic of the OC groups in Italy. Why do you suppose that is Ivy? Probably because they have so much fighting amongst themselves. They're more like gangs, rather than organized, with a different structure altogether.
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Re: Diffrence Between Neapolitan and Sicilian Mobsters
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Are the Camorras that disorganized, Carmela (and Ivy)? I admit I am not that particular informed on them or Italian organized crime for that matter. All I know is the Camorras are not traditional in the sense that they did have a woman acting boss.
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Re: Diffrence Between Neapolitan and Sicilian Mobsters
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11/20/11 02:22 AM
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One thing is for sure, the Camorra in Naples is easily the most chaotic of the OC groups in Italy. Why do you suppose that is Ivy? Probably because they have so much fighting amongst themselves. They're more like gangs, rather than organized, with a different structure altogether. I disagree with this quote, the Camorra aren't definitely street gangs, I believe the Camorra are structured similar to some Mexican Cartels. The big difference between Bloods and Camorra or Los Zetas is that the Bloods have no chain of command unlike Los Zetas. Bloods gang members from California have no co ordination or even connection from Bloods of New York etc., many of the Blood gangs/sets are independent gangs (with similar gang name)that operate locally with no co-ordination or chain of command. Los Zetas in the other hand operate in half of Mexico and many Latin American countries, many of the cell leaders, commadantes or even plaza bosses aren't local they come from different parts of Mexico and are sent there by their superiors, they co-ordinate with each other on the order of the upper management.
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Re: Diffrence Between Neapolitan and Sicilian Mobsters
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11/20/11 08:26 AM
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One thing is for sure, the Camorra in Naples is easily the most chaotic of the OC groups in Italy. Why do you suppose that is Ivy? Probably because they have so much fighting amongst themselves. They're more like gangs, rather than organized, with a different structure altogether. I disagree with this quote, the Camorra aren't definitely street gangs, I believe the Camorra are structured similar to some Mexican Cartels. The big difference between Bloods and Camorra or Los Zetas is that the Bloods have no chain of command unlike Los Zetas. Bloods gang members from California have no co ordination or even connection from Bloods of New York etc., many of the Blood gangs/sets are independent gangs (with similar gang name)that operate locally with no co-ordination or chain of command. Los Zetas in the other hand operate in half of Mexico and many Latin American countries, many of the cell leaders, commadantes or even plaza bosses aren't local they come from different parts of Mexico and are sent there by their superiors, they co-ordinate with each other on the order of the upper management. I only said, "they are more like gangs...", meaning compared to 'Ndrangheta and Cosa Nostra. And they are. Why are you going into an entire explanation comparing Camorra to Los Zetas and Bloods? I don't know anything about Los Zetas or Bloods (does that have anything to do with this topic?). If anything, Furio likened Camorra to "gangs of LA". This would be better suited for him to answer.
Last edited by carmela; 11/20/11 08:28 AM.
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Re: Diffrence Between Neapolitan and Sicilian Mobsters
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11/20/11 08:48 AM
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I'm just stating and giving examples of what makes an organized group and what makes a street gangs; street gangs in general like Bloods, Sur 13, Crips etc. are gangs that operate locally with little to no connection or co-ordination and most importantly no chain of command as a whole. I personally don't know how the Camorra operate but I'm just giving speculation of how I think they operate, I'm not comparing Bloods with the Camorra or Los Zetas with them. I don't know anything about the Camorra or any of the Italian OC groups for that matter.
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Re: Diffrence Between Neapolitan and Sicilian Mobsters
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11/21/11 05:50 PM
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camorra is organized crime although less organized than mafia or ndrangheta camorra has big political connections at both local and national level and it's stronly rooted in its territory it's power is by far higher than any street gangs lke blood or crips, no comparison at all some camorra groups like casalesi or nuvoletta are organized like mafia and ndrangheta several camorra bosses are part of cosa nostra I can agree with this. And to be clear, when I likened them to more like gangs than organized, I was strictly comparing them to Cosa Nostra, as per the thread title. I didn't at all delve into Camorra as street gangs compared to bloods, crips, Zetas, cartels, etc. I know nothing of those groups, but again, they weren't the discussion. More of a gang than Cosa Nostra is all I meant. And it is true. Several camorra bosses ARE part of Cosa Nostra. Absolutely! You wouldn't believe how many people don't believe that. Ridiculous.
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Re: Diffrence Between Neapolitan and Sicilian Mobsters
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11/21/11 05:57 PM
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Camorra bosses part of Cosa Nostra?
Wasn't it always Cosa Nostra that the Camorra always had a rivalry with? Not a violent feud, but a north vs. south sort of thing. A rivalry like a sports team or school team. It wasn't until the 70's when the Sicilian criminals convinced the new bosses of Camorra clans to give up smuggling contraband cigarettes in exchange for heroin.
Are the Camorra guys actually made in cosa nostra or are they close partners in crime?
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Re: Diffrence Between Neapolitan and Sicilian Mobsters
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Was he a Sicilian who went north to Naples or a Camorristi who reached out to the Sicilians?
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Re: Diffrence Between Neapolitan and Sicilian Mobsters
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11/21/11 08:50 PM
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camorra, mafia and ndrangheta are just nicknames not the real names of them they are all called 'honoured society'
Perfect. It's exactly what I've been saying on the *AHEM* other forum for years, and recently on here. They just don't get it.
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Re: Diffrence Between Neapolitan and Sicilian Mobsters
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11/22/11 12:03 AM
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And as in the Unites States, violence is very typically internal and not between organizations?
Do they all maintain regional dominance and stay out of each others locales out of familiar respect or are they eager to encroach on each other?
How does the Sacra Corona Unita interact with the other 'Big 3' Italian organized crime groups? Considering that SCU is a young group compared to Cosa Nostra or the local Ndrengheta. Raffeale Cutolo started the SCU as a super-Camorra family; does this affect relations with Camorra clans?
Anyone familiar with the northern Mala del Brenta or the other Sicilian criminals, La Stidda?
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Re: Diffrence Between Neapolitan and Sicilian Mobsters
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11/22/11 12:20 AM
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This is one of the reasons Castellano was relunctant to give Roy DeMeo his button. Cause of his neapolitan ancestry. That and he was a crazy motherfucker involved in alot of street crime. Castellano was said to prefer more low-key rackets like labor racketeering and the like I think you'll find there's a history of Neapolitan inductee's into the Gambino Family, and that the second reason you listed was more the case. Gaggi used the Neapolitan angle as a bullshit reason for why DeMeo could not be made an official captain, despte him being the leader of his own crew anyway. yeah the founder of the casalesi clan for example was made into sicilian family if im not wrong. Yes. Antonio Bardellino. Were there not a few other Camorristi inducted into Cosa Nostra during the 1980's as a way of ensuring loyalty in regards to joint cigarette smuggling or 'buttlegging' rackets? I may be wrong, the names escape me for the moment.
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Re: Diffrence Between Neapolitan and Sicilian Mobsters
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11/22/11 12:20 AM
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Nicholas... La Stidda are garbage. Technically they are Cosa Nostra. But, they are really outcasts, members that broke rules of Cosa Nostra and went their own way. 2-bit criminals that do anything for a dollar and hire anyone that wants in. Talk about gangs. In the 80's, in particular, they tried to takeover Cosa Nostra and the wars broke out. Check into the wars of Porto Empedocle, Agrigento, of the 80's, where they killed a Cosa Nostra boss, Nino Messina, and so began the war. Today, however, some have put old differences and grudges aside and have worked together ...in drugs particularly. I was even at a wedding 2 years ago in Sicily where the sister of a top current leader of Stidda (yes, they are still around), married a member of Cosa Nostra... her family member had killed the father of the groom ( her husband) in the 80's!! (Not all attended cause some won't let go of the grudge, and understandably so). Unbelievable. This is a sign of the times. They collaborate on many things now to make the money and stay alive. BUT, to many of them, they are unforgiving and still hold grudges of their fathers and brothers being killed by Stidda. Rightfully so.
Personally, I think nothing more of Stidda than shit.
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Re: Diffrence Between Neapolitan and Sicilian Mobsters
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This is one of the reasons Castellano was relunctant to give Roy DeMeo his button. Cause of his neapolitan ancestry. That and he was a crazy motherfucker involved in alot of street crime. Castellano was said to prefer more low-key rackets like labor racketeering and the like I think you'll find there's a history of Neapolitan inductee's into the Gambino Family, and that the second reason you listed was more the case. Gaggi used the Neapolitan angle as a bullshit reason for why DeMeo could not be made an official captain, despte him being the leader of his own crew anyway. yeah the founder of the casalesi clan for example was made into sicilian family if im not wrong. Yes. Antonio Bardellino. Were there not a few other Camorristi inducted into Cosa Nostra during the 1980's as a way of ensuring loyalty in regards to joint cigarette smuggling or 'buttlegging' rackets? I may be wrong, the names escape me for the moment. Yes, and Michele Zaza was one of them.
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