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Re: Evidence of the Mob's decline Economically?
[Re: NickyScarfo]
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Just look at Philadelphia. Compare the Scarfo years vs Ligambi.You can say alot of things about Scarfo, but the Scarfo Family made tons of cash. It wouldn't surprise me if a few of those soldiers in the scarfo's family were millionaires. I think soldiers in scarfo's era made alot more money than Ligambi himself, present day.
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Re: Evidence of the Mob's decline Economically?
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Just look at Philadelphia. Compare the Scarfo years vs Ligambi.You can say alot of things about Scarfo, but the Scarfo Family made tons of cash. It wouldn't surprise me if a few of those soldiers in the scarfo's family were millionaires. I think soldiers in scarfo's era made alot more money than Ligambi himself, present day. Valid point. I made a post awhile back about how the Genovese family took a big hit when they lost the garbage and the fish market. Now, they've adapted to newer rackets in order to evolve and survive, but there was a lot more money to be spread around in rackets like garbage. Sure, a few guys are getting rich off stock scams and whatnot, but A LOT of guys got rich off garbage. There were some millionaire soldiers twenty years ago. Today, not so much.
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Re: Evidence of the Mob's decline Economically?
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Im sure some NYC gangsters made some serious cash through various rackets during and post 2008 recession. Not without being involved in legitimate businesses, among illegitimate they didn't, and haven't. As for the Caruana's and Cun trera's, they are still primarily in Sicily. There are not many at all left in Canada.
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Re: Evidence of the Mob's decline Economically?
[Re: NickyScarfo]
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Here's Fortune magazine's list from October of 1986:
Fortune magazine's list of the nation's top 50 mobsters, their ages and headquarters (many are in jail or on trial): 1. Anthony "Fat Tony" Salerno, 75, New York. 2. Anthony "Joe Batters" Accardo, 80, Palm Springs, Calif. 3. Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo, 73, Long Island, N.Y. 4. Gerardo "Jerry" Catena, 84, Boca Raton. 5. Gennaro "Jerry Lang" Langella, New York. 6. Carmine "Junior" Persico, 53, New York. 7. Christopher "Christie Tick" Furnari, 62, New York. 8. Salvatore "Tom Mix" Santoro, 70, New York. 9. Philip "Rusty" Rastelli, 68, New York. 10. Vincent "Vinnie" DiNapoli, 49, New York. 11. Ralph Scopo, 57, New York. 12. Russell Bufalino, 83, Scranton, Pa. 13. John Gotti, 46, New York. 14. Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonanno, 82, Tucson, Ariz. 15. Santo "Louis Santos" Trafficante, 71, Tampa. 16. Carlos "Little Man" Marcello, 76, New Orleans. 17. Frank "Frankie Bal" Balistrieri, 68, Milwaukee. 18. Michael Franzese, 35, Long Island, N.Y. 19. Vincent "Chin" Gigante, 57, New Jersey. 20. Joseph "Joe Nagall" Ferriola, 59, Chicago. 21. Joseph "Joey O'Brien" Aiuppa, 78, Chicago. 22. Gus "Slim" Alex, 70, Chicago. 23. Vincent "Jimmy Blue Eyes" Alo, 82, Miami. 24. Anthony "Bruno" Indelicato, 39, New York. 25. Michael "Mike" Genovese, 65, Pittsburgh. 26. Joseph Gallo, 74, New York. 27. Philip "Benny Squint" Lombardo, 78, Miami. 28. Raymond "Long John" Martorano, 59, Philadelphia. 29. Anthony "Tony Pro" Provenzano, 69, New Jersey. 30. John "Jackie" Cerone, 72, Chicago. 31. James "Jimmie Napp" Napoli, 75, New York. 32. Paul Vario Sr., 72, New York. 33. Carl "Toughy" DeLuna, 59, Kansas City, Mo. 34. Gennaro "Jerry" Angiulo, 67, Boston. 35. Matthew "Matty the Horse" Ianniello, 66, New York. 36. James "Jimmy Brown" Failla, 67, New York. 37. John Riggi Sr., 61, New Jersey. 38. Louis "Bobby" Manna, 57, New Jersey. 39. John "Johnnie Dee" Digilio, 53, New Jersey. 40. William "Willie" Cammisano, 71, Kansas City, Mo. 41. Vincent "Little Vince" Meli, 62, Detroit. 42. Vincent "Vince" Solano, 67, Chicago. 43. Nicodemo "Nicky" Scarfo, 57, Atlantic City, N.J. 44. Tino "George Grecco" Fiumara, 46, New Jersey. 45. Donald "Don Angel" Angelini, 60, Chicago. 46. Peter "Pete" Milano, 60, Los Angeles. 47. Paul "Paulie" Schiro, 45, Phoenix. 48. Chris Petti, 47, San Diego. 49. Angelo "Little Angie" Tuminaro, 81, unknown. 50. Frank "The Horse" Buccieri, 62, Palm Springs, Calif.
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Re: Evidence of the Mob's decline Economically?
[Re: NickyScarfo]
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11/16/11 02:13 PM
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It's virtually impossible to get anything more than an educated, ball park estimate for a family at a given time. Let alone comparing now to decades ago. Even the authorities don't agree on their estimates. I basically don't even bother posting the estimates anymore.
I think it can safely be said that the mob, in New York and elsewhere, isn't bringing in the level of money it once did. In New York they lost the garment center, the airport, the food markets, much of the commercial garbage, the Javits center, as well as many of the unions used to infiltrated and control these industries. This, in turn, has deprived mob guys of lucrative, legitimate jobs (no show, low show, or otherwise) that they can declare income with and have health benefits. The mob, of course, also doesn't have the same stake in the drug trade it once did. And other rackets, like prostitution and pornography, are largely passe.
That said, the mob collectively still makes a lot of money from it's illegal gambling, loansharking, and extortion rackets. And in New York, from the construction industry. As we saw with the waterfront lately, there are guys still making six-figure salaries. And others are getting rich through stock fraud or other scams, drugs, etc. Many have profitable legitimate businesses.
I've said it before many times. The mob seems to mirror society in general. Most mob guys are middle class, more or less, with a minority being on both ends of the spectrum - some millionaires and others brokesters.
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Re: Evidence of the Mob's decline Economically?
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I wonder could anyone attempt to make a top 10 list of richest current mob guys? Or just throw some names out! A list like that would be impossible to make. But some guys that would have a good chance to be on that list include former Gambino captain Tommy Gambino, even though he's retired. Gambino captain Salvatore Locascio. Colombo soldier John S-------. Chicago boss John DiFronzo. And likely a good number of Genovese guys.
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Re: Evidence of the Mob's decline Economically?
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I wonder could anyone attempt to make a top 10 list of richest current mob guys? Or just throw some names out! A list like that would be impossible to make. But some guys that would have a good chance to be on that list include former Gambino captain Tommy Gambino, even though he's retired. Gambino captain Salvatore Locascio. Colombo soldier John S-------. Chicago boss John DiFronzo. And likely a good number of Genovese guys. They're the one percent. Any hippie socialists out there have a fuckin problem with that? ![whistle whistle](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/whistling.gif) You know what would be some funny shit? The low level guys in a protest against the big money bosses. Call it "Occupy Staten Island." ![lol lol](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/lol.gif)
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Re: Evidence of the Mob's decline Economically?
[Re: pizzaboy]
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11/18/11 03:25 AM
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They're the one percent. Any hippie socialists out there have a fuckin problem with that? ![whistle whistle](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/whistling.gif) You know what would be some funny shit? The low level guys in a protest against the big money bosses. Call it "Occupy Staten Island." I think the Gallos tried something like that with Profaci.
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Re: Evidence of the Mob's decline Economically?
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11/18/11 01:04 PM
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I totally agree. These guys never paid any taxes! The list was created to sell magazines.
The thing is, who's gonna question it except for guys like us? I bet 99% of the people who have seen the list assumed it was authoritative, since it was coming from Forbes. I have seen it cited in MSM articles about the mob pretty often. It seems to have already "gone down in history" as factual, and this probably isn't going to change just because "IvyLeague", "Ivan", and "HairyKnuckles" on some gangster message board don't approve. It's actually interesting, in that it is a good demonstration of how dumb journalism can create pseudo-history.
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Re: Evidence of the Mob's decline Economically?
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Journalism is what it is: 20 percent facts, 80 percent bullshit. But it hardly just applies to mafia coverage; it's everything. True - but don't you think the bullshit factor in mafia coverage is even higher than usual?
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Re: Evidence of the Mob's decline Economically?
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11/18/11 01:54 PM
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Journalism is what it is: 20 percent facts, 80 percent bullshit. But it hardly just applies to mafia coverage; it's everything. but don't you think the bullshit factor in mafia coverage is even higher than usual? Not really. Of course I could be very wrong, but just look at how the politicos behave. If it suits their agenda (or party), they'll write anything, whether it's exaggerated or not. Same goes for the clowns who write about the assholes out in Hollywood. There's just no such thing as responsible journalism anymore (if it ever existed in the first place). Even the New York Times, which is supposed to set the standard for responsible journalism (if a bit too liberal), has become a fucking joke. You're almost better off reading the Post nowadays. At least Rupert Murdoch's people don't pretend to be anything they're not. They just write for shits and giggles.
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Re: Evidence of the Mob's decline Economically?
[Re: NickyScarfo]
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So wiseguys in New York nowadays had little or no clout over the unions? I thought they were still quite influential over the longshoreman.
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