I can't make heads or tails out of tonight's episode. I'm definitely gonna have to watch it again.

It IS kind of confusing because there's so many stories it seems but specifically the story about Jimmy and his mom was disturbing as far as I'm concerned.



TIS

Holy balls of doody! What an ending!

Absolutely dissssgusting!

I called it!!!
Oedipus Rex indeed. But that was obvious.

EDIT: It makes sense when you consider the circumstances of Jimmy's conception. No boundaries.

I got dibs on the heroin "story".

Yup.

Disgusting yes. But it makes sense in context of story. His mother was raped when she was what 12, 13? Often times people who are abused act that out with others.
And Gillian is nothing if not manipulative, maybe not even consciously so.

I guess you did call it Lilo!! I really didn't see it coming. And yes, now Jimmy's mom will likely control him. Still, very disturbing.





TIS

"His mother was raped when she was what 12, 13? Often times people who are abused act that out with others."

Yes, it sometimes happen. But why in the hell do the writers have to portray it in this series? Oh, I know. It's a temporary diversion from all the blood and guts. I guess I now have a greater appreciation for the fact that Vinnie and Mary were only cousins.

Hey TIS!
She was constantly half-dressed in front of him.
She was always "doing the do" with men in Jimmy's circle of associates.
They kissed on the lips.
People always mistook her for a sister/gf.
She touched him possessively, the way a wife would touch a husband.

So I knew something was up-I just thought it would have been in the future and not the past but either way I guess.

On the other big story I was a little happy to see Nucky finally get a little irritated with Margaret. He's looking at trial and possibly a long sentence or electric chair. His first thought -besides not going to jail-is to provide for Margaret and her children-and all she can think about is how bad s/he is? Seems self-centered. Even watching him make a not so veiled threat to her, all I could wonder is how do people who still sleep in the same room go to bed that angry at each other. Seems...risky.

Lilo,

I must have been half watching or watching with one eye open. I guess I never thought in those terms. I agree with Oli here, Vinnie & Mary aren't so bad after all. (good one Oli).

Yes, Margaret does seem to be selfish doesn't she. Oh, and since Nucky now knows that Van Alden drowned that one detective, I'm sure he can use it against him.


TIS

What if it was all a dream?

great episode, can't wait for the final. i really enjoyed the back-story of jimmy's. if anything it looked like a 'dream' that jimmy had during his passed/drugged out state. i do feel for jimmy because he was trying to get away from the chaos of his life, only to be pulled back in.

van alden i really have no idea what will happen to him. i could see him visiting his parents in upstate new york.

margaret is really pissing me off, but she almost acted the same last season.

and, finally i can't wait to see what richard will do because it seems like (besides jimmy)he really is distraught, and wants revenge.

I wonder if Jimmy automatically knows it was Horvitz. Probably. Richard did seem to take it really hard. Given that he thought Jimmy had a great family life how will he process the revelation that Angela was playing house with other women? Who does Richard think committed the murders?
Doyle found he was in over his head.

I was a little surprised by Van Alden's "run for the border" move.

BugEyes bugged out.

He did at that... ha-ha

Cue wah-wah 16th notes..
Rothstein: "Tell me about Jimmy."
Luciano: "They say this cat Jimmy is a bad muthaf-"
Nucky: "Shut your mouth!!!"
Luciano: "I'm just talking bout Jimmy!"
Lanksy: "I can dig it!"
Capone: "He's a complicated man and no one understands him but his mother."

He doesn't have to anymore.

Very creepy episode, but also very interesting. I'm kind of indifferent about if it was necessary to go this extreme. The makers are taking a lot of risks.

And btw, at first I had sympathy for Margaret, especially her situation, until she thought she could bribe "God" through that corrupt priest. What was she thinking? Ofcourse, she was desperate, but would that be an excuse? I don't think so.

richard knows that jimmy wanted manny dead. he could see jimmy as the killer...by not pulling the trigger but putting his family in that predicament.

doyle is an idiot, and i still have no idea how he survives.

van alden is a crazy guy sent by the lord...what else do you expect?

Well, Jimmy's house does have a shower.

but, its new jersey...not texas

DO you still have this book, can't find it anywhere,

I think sandusky is disturbing. Lilo is right on point you could see it coming. Gretchen Mol is going to be a power house of corruption for a little bit. I think alot of fictional characters will be killed at the drop of a dime after the past 2 episodes.

How many seasons do you think they could drag this out for. It does have legs, but people get bored easily with some HBO Series,

Does Jimmy Shower with his mom in this episode too, I can't remember?

I think Eli will make a run for it as well. I'm going to look that up, and see if his brother the sheriff was ever locked up for murder and there was speculation that his brother was going to testify against him to save his own buttox

No. Don't think so.
The finale should be pretty exciting. There's a lot to wrap up. I don't see how Nucky can forgive both Jimmy and Eli. And I really don't see how Jimmy survives-no one has any use for him. Maybe he takes out Horvitz?

If Nucky married Margaret she could not be compelled to testify against him, is that correct?

Well, we don't know NJ or federal law at the time, but it's probably true.

i totally forgot about that law. i could see that happening.