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Re: Penn State sexual abuse scandal
[Re: olivant]
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11/10/11 03:11 PM
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Madonne TIS, how could you not know? This is not a sports story. It's been on every network news show just about 24/7 (Cain owes the story a thank you).
Paterno is the winningest coach in college football history. He's a living legend at Penn State (if not elsewhere) where students rioted last night on campus in protest of his termination. It's not over by any means as there is the eventual prosecution and inevitable civil suits. Oli, I know it's not a sports story. I've been following it since it started. My point was I didn't think to check the "sports" section here on the BB to find it. But true, I never heard of these guys til now. TIS
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Re: Penn State sexual abuse scandal
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What I want to know is how could anyone witness a 10 year old being sodomized in a shower, and walk away?? What kind of person turns their back on a child in such a situation? It's beyond my comprehension. Forget about calling the police, but how can you turn your back on a rape? You just walk away and let the rapist continue? That's exactly my point. Football and the football program were the overriding deciding factor for McQueary and everyone else at Penn State. That's not to say that football isn't the #1 priority at many other colleges/universities. That's why McQueary only told his father and Paterno. He did not want Paterno mad at him by going to the police and he wanted to move up in the PSU football organization. What kind of twisted, sick logic is that where this guy essentially said "sorry about that kid. You continue to be raped because I want to make sure that I don't look bad to Joe Paterno." I would not - at all - be disappointed if McQueary was beaten to within an inch of his life while coaching the game on Saturday. He has no right to be on the field or to be employed at Penn State.
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Re: Penn State sexual abuse scandal
[Re: goombah]
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Goombah I couldn't read the whole thing either. How terrible and vile and disgusting. TIS
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Re: Penn State sexual abuse scandal
[Re: goombah]
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That's why McQueary only told his father and Paterno. He did not want Paterno mad at him by going to the police and he wanted to move up in the PSU football organization.
What kind of twisted, sick logic is that where this guy essentially said "sorry about that kid. You continue to be raped because I want to make sure that I don't look bad to Joe Paterno."
Unfortunately we've seen such similar logic deployed at such similar horrible crimes, such as the Catholic Church.
I would not - at all - be disappointed if McQueary was beaten to within an inch of his life while coaching the game on Saturday. He has no right to be on the field or to be employed at Penn State.
I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the axe too. (Come to think, why didn't he get fired?)
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Re: Penn State sexual abuse scandal
[Re: olivant]
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Cut him some slack, Oli. He's a Florida State alumni  . And on that note, as far as football goes, they're two of the best coaches of all-time. 1 and 1a, if you will
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Re: Penn State sexual abuse scandal
[Re: goombah]
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I think people need to remember jerry Sandusky is the scumbag. i understand Paterno could have done more but i dont think joe is an evil person I think he was naive and was fooled by Sandusky. I agree with him losing his job but I think he is getting more blame the the sick fuck that did it. Also people need to remember the cops were in the next room when Sandusky admitted his disgusting acts to the kids mother and did not arrest him. the cops are the real frauds While I do not agree with everything you say, I agree that Paterno is not evil. However, he did deserve to lose his job because he did not do enough to follow through on an ethical basis. While he may have his ass legally covered (and I agree he should not be jailed), he did have a responsibility as a father, father-figure, grandfather, and coach to make sure all authorities (PSU and local police) were made aware of Sandusky's sickening behavior. I also disagree with your statement that the cops are the "real frauds." There are far too many people and departments than just to single out the police. The District Attorney did not press charges initially, McQueary and his father should have done more than just tell Paterno, the PSU police, and on & on. The bottom line for this was Paterno's power and money. Let's face it - football was the lifeblood of Penn State and nobody wanted to see that apple cart upset. Instead of getting out in front of this situation, everyone involved all of these years put the entire university at risk. Unrelated to your post, what exactly were those several hundred idiots rioting for last night? Did they read the indictment against Sandusky? Penn State had NO CHOICE but to fire Paterno for his role in this. Was it bad to dismiss a coach over the phone - probably. But the issues here are unprecedented in sports. Children's lives were irrevocably changed by Jerry Sandusky and these idiot rioters were protesting the dismissal of a football coach? I said that Paterno should lose his job but i just think many people have lost touch of who the real criminal is which is Sandusky. I know people should have done more. But lets be honest its easy to say from the outside what people should have done. I mean i bet half of people would have done something and half of people would have been in shock. Not saying its right i'm just stating facts
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Re: Penn State sexual abuse scandal
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11/11/11 12:52 PM
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DT, your posts are usually pretty responsible. This post isn't. Penn State's football program may very well be the cleanest in the country. Since we don't know what's going on at Florida, UT, etc., we can't determine that. We can only state what we know and what we know does not lend itself to normative conclusions. Institutional Covering up for a pedophile for more than a decade is worse than any scandal invlving recruiting, boosters giving money to players, cheating on tests, and the usual things you find. I stand by my position that this is the worst thing any football EVER done, and Penn State is the dirtiest (and phoniest) program in the country.
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Re: Penn State sexual abuse scandal
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11/11/11 02:41 PM
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I think people need to remember jerry Sandusky is the scumbag. i understand Paterno could have done more but i dont think joe is an evil person I think he was naive and was fooled by Sandusky. I agree with him losing his job but I think he is getting more blame the the sick fuck that did it. Also people need to remember the cops were in the next room when Sandusky admitted his disgusting acts to the kids mother and did not arrest him. the cops are the real frauds While I do not agree with everything you say, I agree that Paterno is not evil. However, he did deserve to lose his job because he did not do enough to follow through on an ethical basis. While he may have his ass legally covered (and I agree he should not be jailed), he did have a responsibility as a father, father-figure, grandfather, and coach to make sure all authorities (PSU and local police) were made aware of Sandusky's sickening behavior. I also disagree with your statement that the cops are the "real frauds." There are far too many people and departments than just to single out the police. The District Attorney did not press charges initially, McQueary and his father should have done more than just tell Paterno, the PSU police, and on & on. The bottom line for this was Paterno's power and money. Let's face it - football was the lifeblood of Penn State and nobody wanted to see that apple cart upset. Instead of getting out in front of this situation, everyone involved all of these years put the entire university at risk. Unrelated to your post, what exactly were those several hundred idiots rioting for last night? Did they read the indictment against Sandusky? Penn State had NO CHOICE but to fire Paterno for his role in this. Was it bad to dismiss a coach over the phone - probably. But the issues here are unprecedented in sports. Children's lives were irrevocably changed by Jerry Sandusky and these idiot rioters were protesting the dismissal of a football coach? I said that Paterno should lose his job but i just think many people have lost touch of who the real criminal is which is Sandusky. I know people should have done more. But lets be honest its easy to say from the outside what people should have done. I mean i bet half of people would have done something and half of people would have been in shock. Not saying its right i'm just stating facts The problem is that this is such a heinous accusation and so many people were at fault. First and foremost is the pedophile Sandusky. BTW, how in the hell did a judge let this animal out on bail? This judge's decision is idiotic. The second most at fault is McQueary. I don't care that he reported the incident to his dad and Paterno. McQueary was 28 years old at the time and, at the very least, could have yelled out "STOP!" when he saw the attack. He could have done it from a safe distance and ran like hell - at the very least. You're correct that none of us know how we would react to such a situation and it's easy to second guess. But there were much better options than slinking out of the locker room like a coward while still avoiding a confrontation, but making it known that Sandusky had been caught.
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Re: Penn State sexual abuse scandal
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11/11/11 04:26 PM
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I think people need to remember jerry Sandusky is the scumbag. i understand Paterno could have done more but i dont think joe is an evil person I think he was naive and was fooled by Sandusky. I agree with him losing his job but I think he is getting more blame the the sick fuck that did it. Also people need to remember the cops were in the next room when Sandusky admitted his disgusting acts to the kids mother and did not arrest him. the cops are the real frauds While I do not agree with everything you say, I agree that Paterno is not evil. However, he did deserve to lose his job because he did not do enough to follow through on an ethical basis. While he may have his ass legally covered (and I agree he should not be jailed), he did have a responsibility as a father, father-figure, grandfather, and coach to make sure all authorities (PSU and local police) were made aware of Sandusky's sickening behavior. I also disagree with your statement that the cops are the "real frauds." There are far too many people and departments than just to single out the police. The District Attorney did not press charges initially, McQueary and his father should have done more than just tell Paterno, the PSU police, and on & on. The bottom line for this was Paterno's power and money. Let's face it - football was the lifeblood of Penn State and nobody wanted to see that apple cart upset. Instead of getting out in front of this situation, everyone involved all of these years put the entire university at risk. Unrelated to your post, what exactly were those several hundred idiots rioting for last night? Did they read the indictment against Sandusky? Penn State had NO CHOICE but to fire Paterno for his role in this. Was it bad to dismiss a coach over the phone - probably. But the issues here are unprecedented in sports. Children's lives were irrevocably changed by Jerry Sandusky and these idiot rioters were protesting the dismissal of a football coach? I said that Paterno should lose his job but i just think many people have lost touch of who the real criminal is which is Sandusky. I know people should have done more. But lets be honest its easy to say from the outside what people should have done. I mean i bet half of people would have done something and half of people would have been in shock. Not saying its right i'm just stating facts The problem is that this is such a heinous accusation and so many people were at fault. First and foremost is the pedophile Sandusky. BTW, how in the hell did a judge let this animal out on bail? This judge's decision is idiotic. The second most at fault is McQueary. I don't care that he reported the incident to his dad and Paterno. McQueary was 28 years old at the time and, at the very least, could have yelled out "STOP!" when he saw the attack. He could have done it from a safe distance and ran like hell - at the very least. You're correct that none of us know how we would react to such a situation and it's easy to second guess. But there were much better options than slinking out of the locker room like a coward while still avoiding a confrontation, but making it known that Sandusky had been caught. I agree about McQuery. However I can't say he is a bad guy since he was a young 22 year old kid at the time which would be hard to process seeing such a disgusting act. But I agree he did act cowardly but at least he went to the superiors. And the one thing I get on paterno about is that he didn't do enough but I dont think joe is a bad guy i just think he was naive about sandusky
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Re: Penn State sexual abuse scandal
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11/13/11 12:18 PM
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Another school admits to filing child abuse charges: (Reuters) - In the wake of the Penn State child sex abuse scandal, another university, The Citadel military college in South Carolina, revealed on Saturday that it had investigated accusations against a camp counselor but took no action...
I have a feeling sadly, there are many more shoes to drop here. Full story: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/12/us-crime-citadel-abuse-idUSTRE7AB12F20111112
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Re: Penn State sexual abuse scandal
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11/13/11 03:05 PM
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Failure for this horrific act to be reported by those who knew aside, I can understand the shock the general ppl at Penn State must feel. A few years back at the middle school I worked with a beloved teacher who, after about 20 yrs of teaching at our school was arrested for child abuse (rape actually). We were all shocked. We ALL thought he was a caring guy who really cared for his students. Short lived rumors started a few years earlier, but nobody believed them. Turns out one of his victims was the son of one of his team, friend and co-teacher. The boy was 18 when he told his father. It was shocking.  These two teachers were friends and the one didn't have a clue. He was always very nice and I remember joking around with him and thinking, boy what a good teacher who always seems to have charge of his class. After this whole incident became known,and before his arrest, he called once at the school(he wasn't allowed on campus) and I just happened to be the one to answer the phone. I couldn't wait to pass on the call. I didn't want to speak to that POS. Long story short, after that several more kids who were now older came forward. This teacher is in prison now and I believe serving 25/30 years. Looking back, clues were all there but nobody saw and/or thought much of them. When you think about it, it would seem logical that these predators have jobs around young people. Doesn't make anyone who works with kids a predator, but a crime of nature something must be done. TIS
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Re: Penn State sexual abuse scandal
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Reports today, said Mike Mcqueary did get that kid out of those showers. If that's the case I owe him an apology. It also contradicts the grand jury report. Sandusky's legal team are high-fiving each other. Yes, your correct.
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