how did the american mafia end up calling the younger generations the young turks?

the young turks in turkish history where a bunch of officers who had nationalistic ideas before they removed the sultan(king) but after they got in charge of the ottoman empire they changed in to a facist movement. the sultan was just ceremonial and the generals where in charge but these guys murdered around 500,000 armenians and probably a few hundred thousand of greeks and assyrians. and some say the jews/zionists or others used them to takeover the ottoman empire and then to destroy it. and this all happened between 1909 and somewhere until 1919 after the independence war started.

under their rule the ottoman empire lost 13% of its population.

They got the name because of the revolting against the leaders and hierarchy, maybe thats the only thing in common with the real young turks from history.

yeah guess you are right.

Here in America, I don't think the term "Young Turks" is exclusive to the mafia. You hear it in all walks of life, from sports teams to big corporations. It's come to signify the younger generation taking over for the older generation. But I do agree that it started as an homage to the Turks of early 20th century.

Like PB said, its a generic term these days for any new, rising crop, removed from the "old ways" of doing things.

Thats what the young turks felt when they removed the sultan. So i guess everyone can be called a young turk if he stands up and removes the older generation.

makes sense

That was the beginning of the end for the Ottoman Empire. The young turks were ultra-nationalists who created a lot of bad blood among other ethnicities in the empire.

well they got killed later as an act of revenge after the british occupied istanbul.

Back during the 1990's a judge in Philadelphia actually asked why the Merlino crew was called the "Young Turks" by the press when nobody in the crew was Turkish.

"Why dont they call them "The Young Italians"? I mean, thats what they are, am I right?"

Hmm thats a good one, at least somebody noticed. At least they dont mix it up with the animal turkey.

A question that doesnt have anything to do with this topic, are there are known Turkish criminals who are working with the New York families? Or associates? I know there isnt any major Turkish population in the US, at least not together.

Virgil Sollozzo .

I've honestly never heard of one. But you never know .

i am not sure about this but the wiki page about the pierre hotel robbery says something about a ali-ben who was an albanian turkish hitman that worked for the turkish mafia. well if this is true who the hell was the turkish mafia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Hotel_Robbery

Thats a nice find yigido, it makes you wonder where the Turkish mafia stands. But since we dont know much we may assume that they are not big players right now, maybe work hand in hand with the Albanians. And Turkish-Albanian isnt that rare, you have many people who are half Albanian and TUrkish.

And reading they worked with the Luccheses, we may assume that there is a loose cooperation.

Did someone really ask that Mickey? If so that's some funny stuff.

there was also this article about some heroin owned by the turkish mob in canada. http://www.cireport.ca/2011/04/montreal-...-of-heroin.html

Keep them coming Yigido, maybe we can find more Italian-Turkish co operations.

here in the netherlands there probably are a lot. probably between the ndrangetha who supply them with cocaine. mukremin did you also hear about the senol tuna hit. they found the man all burned up in the trunk of a car. they suspect a gang of turks in eindhoven.

a few articles in dutch:
http://www.crimesite.nl/crimesite/22116-senol-tuna-geliquideerd.html
http://eindhoven.dichtbij.nl/112/%E2%80%98senol-tuna-gedood-door-turkse-bende-uit-eindhoven%E2%80%99

Nah dude, that was my lame impression of the "Why no Turks?" Judge.

Ive just recently saw about the Senol Tuna murder. Friends with/worked for a guy calle Holleeder or something? I guy on the RD said he was an MMA fighter and sometime himan?

FWIW, there's been some Turkish guys linked to heroin dealing and various white collar stuff over the years in Australia.

I know that there are some activity here in the Netherlands and elsewhere, i am looking for activities in New York with the 5 Families. Sure they must do business.

yeah he was associated with holleeder. holleeder is a dutch crime boss doing time for extortion. but senol tuna was a little bit like tommy from goodfellas. he would grab his gun everytime he got mad or almost everytime he had a meeting with other mobsters.