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Castellano's Consilgiere
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09/23/11 05:26 AM
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Does anyone know if he had one? It seems that no one was there to tell Castellano how hated he was, or to advise him on the Gotti situation, unluckily for him and Billoti!
Sincerely, Sally
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Re: Castellano's Consilgiere
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Gallo was a member of The Profacis, no? Plus he was killed in '72, long before Castellano was chosen as boss.
Sincerely, Sally
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Re: Castellano's Consilgiere
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LOL, OOPS!  Thanks a lot for the info, doesn't seem like he did his job under Castellano very well. But maybe he was disgruntled, too.
Sincerely, Sally
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Re: Castellano's Consilgiere
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I don't think I can point to anything specific that could indicate he was a poor Consigliere. He was the traditional kind, very much in the shadows, showing up for meetings to offer counsel. The odd part is that he let Gotti and the crew go ahead with the murder, knowing he would be demoted in the process. To save his own skin? Crisis could have easily been averted by informing Paul. I don't think we'll ever know.
Of all the hilarious jokes Sammy and Angie Ruggiero made at Castellano's expense, Gallo was never included. Paul's inner circle was more like Tommy Gambino, Nino Gaggi, Jimmy Failla, and Tommy Billotti. Gravano jokingly claimed that if a black guy walked in and said 'I just killed Paul, I'm the boss now', Failla would say 'what can I do for you boss'? Castellano and all these guys, in Ruggiero's mind, were 'The Jew Club', Paul and Billotti 'probably whack off together on Todt Hill' Tommy Gambino was a 'fucking dressmaker'. But Joe N Gallo was always left out of the Gotti crew insults. Perhaps that's what let him survive as a Consigliere for so many years. Filling the role in the traditional sense. The more you get attached to the boss or define yourself as part of any inner circle, perhaps the more biased you become? Again, we'll never know.
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Re: Castellano's Consilgiere
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Gallo was an old time, very old school gangster. Here's a guy that made millions in his own right, yet he never wandered far away from his candy store on Crescent Street in Astoria. He had no pretensions, and he was as far away from being flashy as one can get.
As far as his ability as a Consigliere, I wouldn't be so quick to judge him. Castellano wanted things, the way he wanted them, when he wanted them. He was a greedy bastard who wasn't the type to take advice from anyone, which is what did him in.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Castellano's Consilgiere
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Joe N Gallo was actually the consilgiere for 3 Gambino dons. Right. That's why I'm saying that he shouldn't be judged on just Castellano or Gotti. Castellano wasn't open to advice. And Gotti? Well, Gotti had his own agenda, and didn't really want anything to do with the old timers. He started the process of phasing out guys like Gallo and Armone the day he took over.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Castellano's Consilgiere
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Thanks for the responses.
The reason I figured his consigliere was ineffective is for several reasons: this includes not stressing the importance of attending Dellacroce's funeral, not telling (or convincing) Castellano how deeply despised he was by his rank and file and why, and letting Castellano act passively towards the Gotti crew once Ruggiero was arrested. I've always been under the impression that the consigliere was in the boss's corner and his well-being was his top priority. The fact that he counseled three different dons would lead one to believe that he was intelligent enough and had the gift of persuasion.
But like you alluded to, Pizza Boy, Castellano was a grown man with frightful power who apparently lived in his own small world and no one could force him to do anything that he didn't want to do no matter what.
Sincerely, Sally
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Re: Castellano's Consilgiere
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I think the two best book portrayals of Gallo were in "Boss of Bosses," and "Joe Dogs." In case anyone's interested  .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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