It was sometimes known for guys to serve one family as an associate before being passed on to another where they were subsquently made.
For example, Sammy Gravano, Gerrard Pappa and "Donnie Brasco" all began mob life with the Colombos but ended up with the Gambinos, Genovese and Bonnano's respectively (Brasco was on the brink of being made before his real ID was revealed).

Brasco moved of his own accord (Mirra and Lefty were juicer targets than any of Jilly Grecas crew).
Gravano shifted because he fell out with Shorty Spero's brother and the Colombo hierachy didnt want any future problems.
I dont know why Pappa moved to the Genovese? (perhaps the Colombo's were sick of him? - LOL)

Anyway, all the above men were not made when they had their mob transfers - did any men ever move to a different family AFTER they were made?

The only one I can think of quickly would be Albert Gallo but I'm not sure that he was really made or not when he switched from the Profaci Family to the Genovese Family. And that was a very special case.

I think Trafficante might have had a few guys who switched from Chicago or Cleveland to him.

Usually I think that once you're a formal member, that's it-no refunds or returns.

What about Jimmy Fratianno? He went from the Chicago Outfit to the Los Angeles crime family.

That's a good call Sonny. I'm not sure off the top of my head when Fratianno was made but he was variously involved with Chicago, Cleveland and LA.

But the Outfit isn't a traditional Family, so technically . . .

Yeah. Also at one point Chicago claimed hegemony over everything to its west anyway so moving from LA to Chicago or back again may have been seen as an internal transfer. I don't know...

And not only that, they also claimed to be in charge .

You've been spending too much time with Olivant .

1951 meeting notes...
Humphreys (to Rosselli) : "Tell the boys out there in LA, St. Louis, Memphis and Kansas City that we claim hegemony over their activities."

Rosselli: "Tell them we claim what"?

Accardo: "You know. Hegemony!!!"

Ricca: "What are you , uncouth or something. Hegemony. It means we're the hedge funds".

Accardo: "Da big wheels, like. They gotta hedge bets with our wire service and give us our money. Thus the word hegemony. Right, Hump?"

Humphreys: (sigh) "Yes, Tony, you've got it exactly..."

And he's immensely better off for it.

is that really the meeting notes?
btw associates could switch to other families easy right? i mean you could be an associate and be in business with multiple families?

I'm pretty sure the word origin for 'hegemony' is the Greek 'hegemonia', and more than sure Connecticut is the hedge fund capital of the world,tho Chi has some Bears and Bulls around, too..

Yes, this happened for example with Sammy Gravano who went from the Colombos to the Gambinos in the earl 1970s.

No those aren't meeting notes. I was being sarcastic.

Yes, you could be an associate and be in business with multiple groups. Pistone talks about this in his book. Sometimes, though especially if you were an "earner" or just happened to be more amenable to some people, a captain or soldier would put it "on record" that you belonged to a certain group.

but sometimes there were heated discussions, and sitdowns as pistone describes. Remember, he came into trouble with that psyco, whats his name? He was murdered a couple of years ago, cant remember his name. He wanted money from pistone, and lefty made sure everything was settled.

Tony Mirra..

Nick Bianco belonged to the Colombo Family before moving to New England & becoming the Patriarca Underboss. Jackie DiNorsio was originally from the Bruno Family before swapping to the Lucchese. Jimmy the Weasel tranferred from Chicago didnt he? Hm. Ah yeah Sonny_Black, you mentioned Frattiano.
Im sure theres at least a couple more, stuffed if i can remember but.

Ack whatzizname was it Stephen "The Whale" Cino that swapped from Buffalo to LA?
& Pete Milano's father Anthony was the Cleveland Underboss before moving the family out to LA (& joining the Family)
Im pretty sure Nick Licata was made in Detroit before becoming LA Boss. Theres definitely a fair bit of it in LA from memory. Not mentioning all the guys that came from interstate as an associate & got made in LA, like Mike Rizzitello, or Porno Mike Esposito, or you get the idea. Hm. Lips Moceri? (actually i think he went the other way, leaving LA for Cleveland.

There might be a few exceptions that prove the rule, although even they are debated over, but generally speaking it's almost unheard of for a made guy to transer to another family. Once a guy is made, he is in that family for life. But there are many examples of guys being associated with one family and later getting made into another.

Tony Mirra yes... mean motherfucker.
And what about the Zips, they were loyal to the families in the old country. So they to could not be "made" again with the NY families.

Thats pretty interesting. I see that logic with guys like Bobby Luisi, wiseguys that would never have been made by the neighbourhood guys that actually knew them, so instead gets made by some other Family.

What about Russel Bufalino supposedly stepping in as interim Boss of the Genovese Family for a time? Its come up in a few sources. Sorta like a one off?

Were their not a couple of Zips made into the Bonanno Family over the years? Guys like George From Canada, Baldo Amato, Giovanni Ligamarri; were they at any time formally inducted?

Nothing for nothing (here: my few cents) Tony Mirra was IMO one of those creepy guys. Like Tommy Karate, or Mad Sam DeStefano from back in the day.

I think they still had loyalty to the families in italy, they were just hired for new york duties i think. But George from Canada, was he a zip?
Wasnt he a former associate of the Rizzuto family?

Cesare Bonventre was a zip who became a Capo at the ridiculously young age of 28!!!!!!

Yes, Tony Mirra was a nasty son of a bitch.
Pistone says he was the most intimidating man he met during his 6 years undercover.
Even other made guys where afraid of Tony so its no suprise that Mirra went into hiding upon the mob learning who Donnie really was - people would have been falling over themselves to whack him (Mirra).
In the end Joey Massino handed the contract to his uncle and he arranged Mirra's murder in Febuary 1982.

he sure was handsome when you look at the surveillance photos, he has class

In the booh Making Jack Falcone Greg DePalma tells Falcone that Robert Vaccaro was a "Luke" meaning a Lucchese. He had just gotten out of State prison and was friendly with Gambino administration and was assigned to liason between DePalme and the admin and he was said to be the acting capo of Greg DePalm's crew...

i didnt know luke meant lucchese but that makes sense, he prob wasnt a made lucchese guy tho...

I think Joe "the rat" Valachi was made as a Lucchese. He switched too Genovese's. I think I saw that on the Mobsters TV series. I believe family switching maybe was more common at one time than we tought. I will research this.

As far as I can tell, from The Valachi Papers, he was made in Maranzano's proto-Bonnannos and was transferred to the Genoveses after the Castellamarse War.

Also, was Nicky Scarfo Jr made in Philly first?

No, Nicky Jr was never a made guy in Philly.

Nicky Jr got made into the Lucchese family as a favor to his father from Vic Amuso. It was for his protection from those in the Philly family who wanted to take him out.