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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
[Re: NickyScarfo]
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That guy in the Lucchaese family who ran the New Jersey faction that Casso whacked. Everyone in the family apparently loved him. What was his name again? Its escaped me. You're talking about Anthony Accetturo, who eventually had a falling out with the Taccetta brothers and Vic Amuso/Casso.
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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
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Anthony Accetturo did not get whacked. He flipped.
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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
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07/13/11 04:31 PM
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...and I'm sure that Cuban guy ended up dead Fred Weiss. The murder of Weiss, who was essentially a civilian brought immense heat. If Weiss had lived to testify (Gotti had suspicions) it would never have caused as much damage as there was after the murder. It's the reason Vinny Ocean and Anthony Capo (both NJ) flipped. It brought down the DeCavalcante family. JCrusher, you have an interesting theory on DeMeo and Gotti. While I disagree for those reasons, Gambino soldiers have been heard lamenting DeMeo's death on wiretap, believing he was killed for nothing. In that sense I think you're right. Paul had the excuse of hitting DeMeo for breaking LCN law within the realm of earnings, but I think the family sensed it was more just 'because I can'. Nicky Scarfo's Salvie Testa hit (another good example) was the same thing. Technically he had motive when Salvie arrogantly broke off the wedding with Chuckie Merlino's daughter, but why wouldn't their respective families get nervous when powerhouse made men are knocked off just like that? Joe Masseria didn't really think his murders through. He may not have realized how clannish the Castellammarese were or how they functioned as a sort of secret society that was practically built for banding together and surviving. Ordering the deaths of all of them whilst hitting his most influential lietenaunt, Gaetano Reina was certainly ill advised. Look how it came back to haunt him. And murdering the Scalvo brothers sure didn't end well for young Billy McCarthy.
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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
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07/13/11 08:17 PM
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...and I'm sure that Cuban guy ended up dead Fred Weiss. The murder of Weiss, who was essentially a civilian brought immense heat. If Weiss had lived to testify (Gotti had suspicions) it would never have caused as much damage as there was after the murder. It's the reason Vinny Ocean and Anthony Capo (both NJ) flipped. It brought down the DeCavalcante family. JCrusher, you have an interesting theory on DeMeo and Gotti. While I disagree for those reasons, Gambino soldiers have been heard lamenting DeMeo's death on wiretap, believing he was killed for nothing. In that sense I think you're right. Paul had the excuse of hitting DeMeo for breaking LCN law within the realm of earnings, but I think the family sensed it was more just 'because I can'. Nicky Scarfo's Salvie Testa hit (another good example) was the same thing. Technically he had motive when Salvie arrogantly broke off the wedding with Chuckie Merlino's daughter, but why wouldn't their respective families get nervous when powerhouse made men are knocked off just like that? Joe Masseria didn't really think his murders through. He may not have realized how clannish the Castellammarese were or how they functioned as a sort of secret society that was practically built for banding together and surviving. Ordering the deaths of all of them whilst hitting his most influential lietenaunt, Gaetano Reina was certainly ill advised. Look how it came back to haunt him. And murdering the Scalvo brothers sure didn't end well for young Billy McCarthy. the infamous fred weiss hit, they have charged like half the gambino borgata and 90% of nj with that hit and they are STILL bringing out charges occassionally
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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
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07/13/11 10:44 PM
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Gambino soldiers have been heard lamenting DeMeo's death on wiretap, believing he was killed for nothing. In that sense I think you're right. Paul had the excuse of hitting DeMeo for breaking LCN law within the realm of earnings, but I think the family sensed it was more just 'because I can'. I was under the impression that Roy was almost universally disliked by the rest of the Gambino's. Were the lamenters in the Demeo crew (and where can I read the wiretaps) ?
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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
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07/13/11 10:49 PM
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Outside of NY (in case anyone cares):
The St. Valentine's Day massacre was the end for Al. It brought more and heat and created the task force to get him. It did not end the Outfit, but it did end Al's leadership.
The Danny Green hit in Cleveland brought down the majority of that family. Although I suppose one could argue that the Shondor Burns hit started it all.
Same thing with Jimmy "Horseshoe" Michaels bombing in St. Louis. I was in 8th grade when they came to get his grandson out of class, then announced Jimmy had been bombed on the highway. That was the beginning of the end of the STL family.
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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
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07/14/11 12:53 PM
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Tony:I was unable to find it, it's one of those things you only find once. I do remember it was a low level soldier with no obvious ties to DeMeo claiming it was an unnecessary hit because of DeMeo's loyalty, which he harped on a lot. It was only a sentence or two, but he was scared by the fact that such a good and loyal earner was killed at the drop of a hat. It was more being scared for himself then missing DeMeo, as you're right he wasn't too popular. It was more of a 'that was fucked up, are we really safe?' moment. Usually I remember my sources, sorry about this one. Outside of NY (in case anyone cares): Haha, you bring up a good point. I'm a big Outfit/LA guy, but sometimes you have to try elsewhere for that. Never read about the St. Louis family, I'll start.
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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
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07/14/11 02:52 PM
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and if you also look at roy's history yes he was a true mad man but yet he really did no time. i don't think he was ready for the sentence he was looking at! You and I disagree alot on here but this is spot on. People do not understand what its like to live the life Roy did (money, freedom, pussy, playing god) and then to have it all snatched from you in an instant. just because he was crazy and whacked 200 plus doesnt mean he could do a life term. I couldnt agree more, Roy would have flipped. I think the worst decision to whack someone was everyone. If you look at the history of LCN they always said that murder was a tool to keep the organization in line, its structure per say. But then again, look at nearly every single wiseguy who has a life term or a 20 plus sentence, what is the one charge that they all have in common? Murder. The FBI typically builds its Rico cases around Racketerring(maybe 15-20 years) and murder(life). Whacking guys is also the reason why alot of people flip. The Feds pin a murder on them, they flip. That and dealing drugs. So in the end the "tool" that LCN uses to keep guys in line is nearly always the single charge that puts guys away for life. History shows you that the so called "informants" or guys they thought would flip are always the names that are brought up at murder trials. So they killed them to keep them from flipping and in some cases maybe getting a 5-15 term and wind up getting life because they whacked them to avoid getting a smaller sentence. (not all cases, just an example). Most of the time even if its 20-30 years later they get pinned for the murder. That to me is why nearly every murder in the history of LCN is the worst.
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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
[Re: GaryH]
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07/16/11 07:57 AM
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Yes GaryH we agree 100% on this, Roy got the best deal, For Senter and Testa what is the motivation for living? Every day in prison, and they went away at a young age, not like guys like Gotti, Persico, and Nicky Scarfo who at least had a large portion of their life on the outside before it was all over.
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Re: worst decision to whack a guy
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07/16/11 12:19 PM
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yeah the whack the entire jersey faction was absurd. i think tacetta was very smart having none of the jersey faction show up. how would have vic and gas explain how like 30 made men just vanished? tacetta not having the jersey guys show up? what do you mean by that? i am confused... i know that like three ejrsey guys showed up when vic and gas sent for them it was tommy ricciardi and two others showed up in ny, thats the whole story when they were told to go to another restaurant the location was changed and then al d'arco was threatening them saying there was a very bad rat in the family etc the jersey guys didnt think they were going to make it out
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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