Staino meeting Ligambi every week does not make him the underboss, it makes him look more important than he really is.

The New York guys at his wedding were there for Ligambi, not Staino. Ligambi was his best man.

Staino is the boss of south jersey, I guess his is busy taxing those farmers in Swedesboro.Who is under his control, nobody except a bunch of misfits.Nobody really answers to him.

Staino is the type of guy who talks really loud on his cell phone so everybody can hear.He brags too much about who he is, cause nobody knows him.I have met him several times.

Anthony Nicodemo is the most feared on the streets.

Nicodemo is a real gangster and Staino is a guy playin gangster.

And if Staino is so smart why does the feds and nj state police have hours of recordings of him.


P.S. I feel so stupid wasting time talking about that jerkoff. LOL

For the record, Massamino was cited as the underboss in the recent indictment. But Staino is definitely in Ligambi's inner circle.

Yeah it seems like Staino never really got his hands dirty,don't want to go as far as calling him a pretty boy but what was he ever involved in.No hits to my knowledge.And this being head of the South Jersey operation.what operation.What do they do in South Jersey.Hammonton is an Italian town that Ron Previte used to get a piece of everything in.You do not hear about Vineland that much,I think Horsehead Scafidi's uncles used to run that.He is definetley Ligambi's boy plus he has the bloodlines other than that,I don't know.Seems like he made a lot of money around Ligambi,could he still do it without Ligambi,I don't know.

Same thing they do in South Philly. For example, in February 2001, 21 Philadelphia Family members and associates, including acting underboss Joseph "Mousie" Massamino, were indicted in New Jersey on charges of racketeering, conspiracy, loansharking, and running a $30 million dollar sports betting operation. 5 years later, another gambling ring tied to both Massamino and Staino was busted. In April 2008, 24 Philadelphia Family members and associates were indicted in New Jersey on charges of running a sports betting operation out of an Atlantic City casino that handled $60 million in bets over a 20 month period, loansharking, and money laundering.

just thinking because south jersey and philly are just over the bridge do you think that adds double the police from pa and nj watching the philly family? snj and sp operate together in 2 dif jurisdiction.

You bring up an interesting point phat.

But you know what amazes me. This fucking thread! It's eight pages . Like I said earlier..I think the government should release Ligambi. This guy should be in Hollywood. I wanna see him do The Hangover 3 with Bradley Cooper and co.

The Borgata operation was controlled by Anthony Nicodemo.

Mousie has always had very strong tie to the south jersey area, Blackwood and Wash twp. Over 30 yrs.

Flamingo Kid you beat me to the punch on that.I was just getting ready to say Stain's name never came up once in the Borgata bust.The only time I ever heard Stain's name mentioned was that gambling operation with Rick Toccet,and nothing ever came of that.

Never said either Massamino's or Staino's name came up in the Borgata case. Michael Lancellotti was the biggest name associated with that one. The topic was about what the family had going on in South Jersey.

I don't know really anything about Nicodemio except the borgota stuff and he was the Suspected main killer in one of the 3 ligambi hits. Supposedly this got him straightened out. This info is all from George so who knows how true it is. Flamingo could u fill me in on this guy. Why is he never talked about on mob talk or mob scene. I hear about 10 other guys but I never hear him. Is he low key like lance?

New mob scene by Anastasia. Good video where he breaks down the "economics" of the mob....

http://www.philly.com/philly/video/BC1021153031001.html

Staino-Ligambi mob case focuses on core business of loan-sharking
By George Anastasia
Inquirer Staff Writer
June 27, 2011

Reputed South Jersey mob leader Anthony Staino, arrested on racketeering charges last month, once told an associate that he was a member of the "board of directors" and the "chief financial officer" for the crime family headed by Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi, according to federal prosecutors.

Unfortunately for Staino, the "associate" was an FBI agent posing as a man named "Dino" who had borrowed money from the mob.

In a conversation in 2004, Staino was trying to explain how important it was that the debt be repaid, according to an indictment unsealed May 23. So he let Dino know who he was and at another point told him: "Please, on my life, I like you. I don't want to have to [expletive] hurt you."

The self-description offered by Staino, 53, underscores the nature of the case pending against him, Ligambi, and 11 associates.

The 50-count indictment, filed in U.S. District Court in Philadelphia, is devoid of the murder and mayhem - the beatings, the shootings, the ambushes - that have marked mob cases.

But the charges, built around gambling, loan-sharking, and extortion, offer an inside look at mob economics and hint at the staggering amounts of cash - little of it subject to taxation - that a well-oiled mob organization can generate.

While they don't seem like much, illegal video-poker machines have always been a big part of that economy and were, according to the indictment, an enterprise that Ligambi and Staino used to line their pockets.

The numbers tell the story.

According to sources in the business, a machine placed in a good location - a popular bar, restaurant, or coffee shop - can generate $500 to $1,000 a week in profits.

In a typical 50/50 split with the proprietor of the location, a machine making $1,000 a week would generate $26,000 annually for the mob.

Prosecutors allege that Ligambi and his associates had dozens, if not hundreds, of machines throughout Philadelphia and the Pennsylvania suburbs.

Just 20 machines operating at the high end of the profit- margin scale could produce more that $500,000 in profits in a year.

The indictment alleges that Staino, under house arrest outside Swedesboro, collected the mob's take each week. Ligambi and several other key defendants in the case are being held without bail. All have pleaded not guilty.

The indicted charges that Staino and Ligambi also shared earnings from sports betting and loan-sharking.

"There's nothing better than shark money," mobster-turned-informant Nicholas "Nicky Crow" Caramandi once said of the mob's particular brand of money lending.

In an interview shortly after he began cooperating in 1988, Caramandi explained an interest-generating system that would be the envy of any credit-card company. A degenerate gambler himself, he knew how it worked.

Take a guy who owes $10,000 in gambling debts to a mob bookmaker, he said. If he can't pay the debt, he is sent to a loan shark with mob connections and borrows the $10,000, which he then gives to the bookmaker.

Now the loan-shark debt has to be paid.

Usually the money is lent at three points for 10 weeks. That means that the debtor has to pay interest of $300 a week. At the end of 10 weeks he will have paid the loan shark $3,000 in interest - known as the "vig" - and, if he hasn't paid down the principal, he will still be $10,000 in debt.

At that point, the loan has to be paid - or extended for another 10 weeks. At the end of a year, under that scenario, the debtor would have paid $15,600 in interest and still owe the loan shark the $10,000 principal.

The loan shark and his mob associates would, in turn, have put some of that $15,600 "back on the street" at three points for 10 weeks.

"A guy's got to pay, 'cause we're the mob," Caramandi explained.

Three decades later, authorities allege that Ligambi, at 71 a Caramandi contemporary, is still cashing in on that fact.

Prosecutors charged that he and his associates used the reputation of the organization - its history of murders and assaults - to intimidate gamblers and assert control in the underworld.

In one case, authorities allege, Ligambi, Staino, and reputed underboss Joseph Massimino forced their way into a video-poker operation in South Philadelphia, taking over about 34 machines at 20 stops.

The indictment says they paid $70,000 for the business, a mere pittance for what it was worth.

"They made them an offer they couldn't refuse," prosecutors said of what amounted to the extortion of the company owners.

In the late 1980s, mobster-turned-informant Thomas "Tommy Del" DelGiorno testified before the New Jersey State Commission of Investigation that gambling was "the wheel" around which all other organized-crime activities spun.

That hasn't changed.

"It's the lifeblood of the organization," added Ron Previte, a mobster who turned informant in 1999.

Authorities say Ligambi, who became boss around 2001, took the organization back to its roots, eschewing the violence and the headline-seeking celebrity that were the marks of several mob leaders, including Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino and Ralph Natale, who came immediately before him.

His approach: Make money, not headlines.

And while there are no annual board of directors reports detailing how much money he made, he and Staino lived in well-appointed homes, drove late-model cars, and never appeared to be lacking for cash.

"It's the same game, just different players," said Fred Martens, a former executive director of the defunct Pennsylvania Crime Commission.

"The bread and butter of the mob has always been gambling, loan-sharking, and extortion. Those are the staples."

Narcotics generate more cash, Martens said, but that business is fraught with problems - informants, violent rival drug dealers, and intense law enforcement scrutiny.

"It's like the difference between blue-chip stocks and junk bonds," Martens said. "Drugs are the junk bonds. You can make a lot of money, but the risks are high.

"The blue-chip stocks are gambling, loan-sharking, extortion. With them, you're always going to make money."

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/124580118.html

I was on here before saying how Nicodemo is one tough son of a bitch and will always be a good soldier and earner who will move up but hes no boss. Hes a little bit of a hot head hot shot as well. He was the one all over the tapes from the Borgata case. So he did the same thing as Staino. Staino may be no boss either but he was def a right hand man of Ligambi...espeically when Mousie went away. The 3 of those guys were the guys making the most money.

And in regards to south jersey...south jersey is basically the new south philly in many ways. Washingtown Twp, NJ is called the little south philly. Many people moved out of philly. I mean south philly is always where it will be but the philly mobs main stays are old school rackets basically. Same stuff needed in jersey. Philly guys who moved to jersey rather do business closer to home thats why the south jersey rackets have increased and you see a presense in south jersey.

I think it was lanceotti and nicodmeno who had there hands in the borgata mix. Him and his crew do seem to say somewhat under the radar at least in terms of getting in trouble and doing time.

I'm not saying nothing goes on in South Jersey but I guess it definetley is more low key than the city.I know years ago they said a lot of the 10th and O gang moved out that way and set up shop at the club Adelphia by the mall in Deptford.I know Barrington is a big italian town along with the others you mentioned.Just to officially clarify my original statement is that I just don't think Staino has as much power as he thinks he does like one of the other guys said,and even though he seems like a stand-up guy I just don't look at him like a Johnny Chang.It just seems odd that he never really came through the ranks and for a guy supposetley as high has he is without any kind of arrest record is also a bit unusual.

Question for you spmob remember years ago that Billy Veasey hit.From what I understand all the boys played a role,Merlino,Borgesi,Chang,Angelina,and Lancelotti,everyone but Mazzone.His reason being that when John Veasey got out of prison if he found out who killed his brother according to Mazzone as crazy has he is he would definetley come after them.I remember when they said Merlino told Natale how it went down he[Merlino]was pissed that Mazzone backed out.I mean was that a minor thing or did that linger.It basically made Mazzone look like somebody with no balls.True?No big deal?Any thoughts on that?

I never said Staino wasn't very close with Ligambi, I said it did not matter that he is so close with Ligambi. Mazzzone, Nicodemo,Chang,and Lancelotti would never take orders from Staino.

Anthony Nicodemo is an arrogant, nasty prick. But he is one tough motherfucker, He is no joke.

South Jersey is to big of an area to be controlled by a few people.

I am from Wash Twp. and still live there, when im not down the shore.

Two leaders of the 10th and o gang do live in South Jersey. Genie Boy lives in Deptford and Johnny Garb lives in Mullica Hill.Both are very tough guys.

And 22 is right, you cant put Staino on the same level as Johnny Chang. No fucking way!

And I never said you could compare them. Never even mentioned Johhny Changs name. The Changs have been in the game forever and I agree that he is the natural leader. But to say that STaino has no leadership is not factual when hes been there for all of the reign of ligambi which really has been the best reign for the philly mob in a long time. You basically are agreeing with all I said except for the fact that you think Staino has no leadership skills because he was never locked up. You do know his family has always been involved...Junior was around forever. I do think Johnny would be a better boss then Stevie but Stevie is a stand up guy as well and was Merlino's choice from what we are hearing so I don't think there are any hard feelings. I never said Staino was boss material but I dont think many of the guys left are besides Chang and Mazzone that are on the streets.

My parents moved to Washingtown twp...i am still in south philly. I also know 10th and Oregon very well as my family have all hung on that corner when they were growing up. They don't control a certain area in south jersey. They are basically a drug gang in south philly only at this point that move stuff in to jersey as well. Most of south jersey like deptford, washingtown twp, sweedsboro, williamstown, etc that have rackets... are mob rackets. But there are also other people...like bikers in south jersey...that have rackets of there own. So it is to big to be controlled by one family but the philly mob has done a better job of it in the last 10 years and now we see NY moving in.

I really do have respect for Staino, I just think fox 29 gives him way too much credit.

But i disagree with you on south jersey. Most rackets are independent, with no ties to the mob.

Uncle Joe's low profile philosophy, didn't work either.The feds still got him. So that, I say i would rather act like Merlino and flaunt my power and money.

And I think the feds did Uncle Joe a favor, cause there were too many rumors of unhappy people in the family.

I know you guys are right on about Nicodemo,I heard years ago he started some shit with the Pagan's at a bar in Philly.Mouthed off about something,I was like did I hear that right.Getting in to it with the Pagan's is one thing but starting it,wow this guy does have balls.

to Uncle Joe's credit he was out on the street as Boss of the family for 10+ years making lots of $$$ in the process, that in itself is a relative success ESPECIALLY in this day in age.

On your other point, I would also flaunt it like Gotti/Merlino (not as open but def enjoy myself). If you know your going to go down anyways then why not enjoy your time on top/outside and live it how you want to live it?

What rackets are you referring to?

whats the sense in making all that money if your not enjoying it? 10 yrs is a great run for a boss nowadays! totally agree dapper!

exactly! when it comes down to it the main goal for these guys especially somebody like uncle joe is to earn a decent living for their families thats it, to provide for their wives and kids which I am sure he has been able to do this past decade.

yes the philly family gets overshadowed alot by NY. im not really up on the outfit that much but id def say they are up there with the outfit. i don't know how if you caught this weeks mob scene where george explains how much money the philly family was making off just one machine. and for joe to run a smooth sailing ship for that long while keeping murders down, you gotta give it up to him he really played his hand well!

yeah i got that mob scene up on my blog they were really raking in the cash and thats just joker poker machines, one racket! imagien all the other stuff these guys are probably involved in like drugs, obcourse loansharking, protection/street tax, extortion, etc.

Ivy... I just meant, I think the Philly Mob has almost no influence on South Jersey now, Unlike when Scarfo was in power or Bruno.

And another thing also, I think Uncle Joe gets too much credit for enforcing his low-key approach. Almost all the guys that were on the streets were low-key, except for Marty.

Marty Angelina was running around the City and Margate drunk and acting like an asshole,and If Ligambi was true to his philosophy, he would have him Clipped. Merlino is the real power.

Today I have finally said my first negative things about Ligambi.lol

Funny how we always have a subtle popular contest running. I'd say Uncle Joe is bordering on a mancrush, with Staino at the Jar Jar Binks position.

People really go there to stalk mobsters that aren't the feds going down the shore to memories..thats funny, a little excessive....

First time posting on here