For the record, I wasn't trying to bite anyone's head off. The topic of the Outfit, including it's modern day political influence, is just one of those long-debated ones that have come up again and again over on the Real Deal forum. There really are more than a few people, most of them from Chicago not coincidentally, that seem to still envision the Outfit of at least the 1970's, if not before. And God help you if you disagree with their hometown crime family. Getting into debates with them is almost as bad as getting into debates with Albanian posters about Albanian OC. And I'm not insinuating Ontario is either one of these.