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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities
[Re: jvanley]
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11/26/10 09:47 PM
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Many people on these boards, especially younger people, ask questions or make statements about Mob life that are often myths--not realities. I'd like to start a thread that helps clear up the myths. I'll post occasionally, and ask you to post your own ideas, thoughts, explanations. Here's the first:
BEING "MADE" IN THE MOB IS DANGEROUS TO LIFE AND LIBERTY
Many younger people believe that getting "made" in the Mafia is the ultimate glory. Nothing could be further from the truth: Getting "made" is just about the worst thing that could happen to anyone:
First you have to serve an "apprenticeship," during which you'll have to kiss the asses of every member of the crew you hope to join, and turn over most of your earnings to a boss who thinks you're lower than whale s**t. If you're "lucky," the apprenticeship will last for a decade or less. By that time, you'll have convinced the boss that you're dumb and compliant enough to be "honored" by being made.
So, you'll probably be assigned to kill someone you don't know, for a reason that's not explained to you; and take all the risk on yourself with no reward. If you manage to whack the guy without being killed, injured or arrested, your "reward" will be the famous "induction ceremony"--the fingers pricked so that your blood runs together with the Don's (just hope he doesn't have AIDS or some other STD); the burning saint's card, the oath, the kisses on the cheek, etc. Now you've got it made, right?
Wrong! Your troubles have just begun:
You'll be assigned to a crew chief whose purpose in life is to squeeze you dry. You'll be given a "living"--a sports betting operation, some numbers, drugs or loan shark action. But since the Mob is a pyramid scheme, your crew chief will give you a "nut"--an amount that you must kick back to him each week, whether or not your rackets generate enough profit to cover it. He'll set the amount so high that you'll have no time or opportunity to do anything on your own except work for him. And if you fail to meet the weekly nut, he'll hit you with the same "vig" that he charges his loan shark victims--six percent per week.
Oh, and let's not forget your new "brothers" in the Mafia--the guys who kissed you on the cheek when you got made, and now refer to you as "a friend of ours." Every one of them has contacts in law enforcement that they feed info to in return for being left alone to pursue their own rackets. As soon as your ceremony was completed, they were on the phone to their favorite cops, informing them of the newest member of the Mob. Suddenly you're going to get more attention from law enforcement personnel than a visiting head of state. Your "brothers" will see you as insurance for them when they commit high profile crimes: they'll tip off their police pals that you did the dirty deeds. And, if you manage to survive all of that, the Don'll evntually get nailed on a RICO charge, and he'll rat out you and your other "brothers" in return for a free pass to the Witness Protection Program.
"Honored Society"? You'd be better off washing dishes for a living. This is a great post........ but.....It couldnt be any further from the truth. For guys like well, ALL of us on this board and 95 percent of the world, it would be infact a scary proposition to take the oath of Omerta. But to the other 5 percent of the population who call themselfs associates, this is the ultimate glory. You see, all those guys have an uncle/brother/father/etc who grew up in brookly, howard beach, ozone park, staten island, whatever and all they can think about is getting their button. They dont care that 95 percent of the people who ever get their button end up dead or in the can. Guys like US, we would run from a button because we grew up in kansas, Utah, Sunny California, ETC. We have uncles, fathers, brothers who are accountants, personal trainers and car salesman.....not loan sharks, herion dealers, pump and dumps and Enforcers... My point.... to the average normal world and hard working society, ya a button is a dead end road to jail, death or the witness protection program. to the other part of the world known as "associates", the button is a right of passage to never have to have a legitmate job drilling rivets at a machine shop, teaching, or mowing 20 yards a day for a hundred bucks. It is their right of passage to do whatever they want, whenever they want. When they break their rules they die, when we do we get a citation. Mu point is that what scares you and I does not scare these guys, they live by their own set of rules and have their own set of fears.....an they fear NO ONE, who well.....doesnt have a button. that was very well put..this is my first post and have read too many mafia books to count them all..they look at life a different way than the average person..getting pinched is just the price of doing business in their eyes..
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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities
[Re: IvyLeague]
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01/03/11 02:26 PM
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As for dealing in Heroin, Even before Gotti was boss his crew were the largest Herion Dealers in the Family at the time. Yet Gotti never got dirty hands from it. The feds and everyone else knew Gotti was taking the money from it.
People are confused about the death sentence in the Mafia on dealing drugs.
Its not "dont deal drugs" its "dont get caught dealing drugs"
FatGirl:Your cute
Me:Ok
FatGirl:So you wanna buy me a drink?
Me:No
FatGirl:Why not?
Me:Well Its tricky pumpkin,If I buy u a drink, every fat girl in here would think I liked fat girls & ask me to buy them a drink also. See ,I dont like fat girls unless im wasted and given Im only one drink deep so far, so you better buy me the drink honey, cause this 20 bucks aint covering the booze and drive thru ill need to take you home tonight
08/13/2009-jvanley Spanky Bar, 3rd stool from the left
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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities
[Re: jvanley]
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01/03/11 02:29 PM
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Other Myths in the Mafia:
1. You have to make your bones to become made.
2. They will kill anyone-they usually wont kill cops.
3. The making ceremony. While nearly every ceremony does consist of a finger prick, They keep them as short as possible. The last thing they need are the Feds busting in on a ceremony.
FatGirl:Your cute
Me:Ok
FatGirl:So you wanna buy me a drink?
Me:No
FatGirl:Why not?
Me:Well Its tricky pumpkin,If I buy u a drink, every fat girl in here would think I liked fat girls & ask me to buy them a drink also. See ,I dont like fat girls unless im wasted and given Im only one drink deep so far, so you better buy me the drink honey, cause this 20 bucks aint covering the booze and drive thru ill need to take you home tonight
08/13/2009-jvanley Spanky Bar, 3rd stool from the left
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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities
[Re: GaryH]
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01/06/11 07:31 PM
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Being a cashcow is sufficient enough to get made
I thought that after the Donnie Brasco fiasco, it became compulsory for a new member to kill someone - that way the mob knew they werent a cop or an agent? Nope. They just don't have enough people they need to kill in order to require every new member "make his bones" in the old fashioned way. I think the changes due to the Donnie Brasco situation were to require more than one made member to vouch for a prospective inductee as well as more detailed background checks being required-i.e. people who had actually seen the new fish commit crimes instead of just having him show up with money and vague tales of jobs pulled in other states.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities
[Re: calabresesoldier]
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01/11/11 06:19 AM
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I wanted to know if anyone knows why Frank Nitti killed himself, I really never found much information on that topic. He was the outfit boss, and went to the tracks and killed himself, does anyone know? This is what I've found on it. "A severe claustrophobe as a result of his first prison term, Nitti dreaded the idea of another prison confinement. It was also rumored that he was suffering from terminal cancer at this time. For these or possibly other reasons, he ultimately decided to take his own life."
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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities
[Re: Lilo]
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03/08/11 09:17 AM
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Being a cashcow is sufficient enough to get made
I thought that after the Donnie Brasco fiasco, it became compulsory for a new member to kill someone - that way the mob knew they werent a cop or an agent? Nope. They just don't have enough people they need to kill in order to require every new member "make his bones" in the old fashioned way. I think the changes due to thewere to require more than one made member to vouch for a prospective inductee as well as more detailed Donnie Brasco sitbackground checks being required-i.e. people who had actually seen the new fish commit crimes instead of just having him show up with money and vague tales of jobs pulled in other states. Biggest Mob Myth: Wise Guys are smart! That Blow Hard Jack Garcia infiltrated the Gambino Family with the same damn thing Joe Pistone did.... A Jewel Theif!
Last edited by jvanley; 03/08/11 09:17 AM.
FatGirl:Your cute
Me:Ok
FatGirl:So you wanna buy me a drink?
Me:No
FatGirl:Why not?
Me:Well Its tricky pumpkin,If I buy u a drink, every fat girl in here would think I liked fat girls & ask me to buy them a drink also. See ,I dont like fat girls unless im wasted and given Im only one drink deep so far, so you better buy me the drink honey, cause this 20 bucks aint covering the booze and drive thru ill need to take you home tonight
08/13/2009-jvanley Spanky Bar, 3rd stool from the left
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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities
[Re: jvanley]
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03/08/11 11:17 AM
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Being a cashcow is sufficient enough to get made
I thought that after the Donnie Brasco fiasco, it became compulsory for a new member to kill someone - that way the mob knew they werent a cop or an agent? Nope. They just don't have enough people they need to kill in order to require every new member "make his bones" in the old fashioned way. I think the changes due to thewere to require more than one made member to vouch for a prospective inductee as well as more detailed Donnie Brasco sitbackground checks being required-i.e. people who had actually seen the new fish commit crimes instead of just having him show up with money and vague tales of jobs pulled in other states. Biggest Mob Myth: Wise Guys are smart! That Blow Hard Jack Garcia infiltrated the Gambino Family with the same damn thing Joe Pistone did.... A Jewel Theif! Most of the lower echolon guys are not really smart and there's a reason for it: they are lower echelon guys.  Most of the smart mafiosi who are still around are the oldtimers, but they will die sooner than later. But there will probably always be some smart guys left, although not as many as there used to be back in the days.
"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities
[Re: Sonny_Black]
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03/21/11 02:17 PM
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MYTH: Bugsy Siegel “invented” Las Vegas.
REALITY: Vegas was a boom town long before Siegel built the Flamingo Hotel.
The start of the Boulder Dam project. the largest in Nevada’s history, brought almost 10,000 workers to a site just 25 miles from Las Vegas. That’s when the Legislature legalized gambling statewide. The state received more than 200 applications for gaming licenses. And Vegas, Nevada’s fourth-largest city with 5,000 (count ‘em, 5,000) souls, became a boom town overnight.
When Siegel arrived in Vegas in 1941, he found at least seven hotel/casinos in operation, including two sizeable resorts—the El Rancho Vegas on 66 landscaped acres, and soon after, the Last Frontier, with 170 rooms. Some were air-conditioned. Siegel tried to muscle into El Rancho but was rebuffed by the owner, who lived to tell about it. He succeeded in buying the El Cortez with money from Meyer Lansky and his New York associates. They sold out a year later, doubling their money. Siegel next set his sights on a partially completed hotel on the outskirts of town. It was already called the Flamingo by its owner, Billy Wilkerson, a degenerate gambler whose debts left him unable to finish it. Siegel bought him out, and convinced his Cortez partners to reinvest their profits into the Flamingo. The new hotel lost money when it opened on December 27, 1946. Siegel closed it to finish building the sleeping rooms. It started making money when it reopened in the spring of 1947. But Siegel was soon assassinated, and the Flamingo was taken over by Moe Sedway and Gus Greenbaum, both big-time, Mob-connected gaming operators. It made money hand over fist.
Siegel’s main contributions to modern Las Vegas were to build the first hotel/casino in the glamorous Miami Beach style, and to use his notoriety to add “gangster mystique” to the average visitor’s concept of legalized gambling. The real “inventors” of Las Vegas were the upright Mormon state senators and representatives who had the foresight to legalize—and tax—an activity that had been going on in Nevada since it was first settled.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities
[Re: Turnbull]
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03/22/11 07:58 PM
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I do know that Bugsy took over a casino that was already being constructed and that would become the Flamingo - not sure of original name. The idea of headlining entertainment, four-star restaurants, treating guests like kings and queens, swimming pools and movie stars DID NOT originate with Bugsy, but with the original owner whose hotel Bugsy took over. I forget the guy's name but I know he was such a degenerate gambler, his friends told him to build his own casino and gamble there so he'd stop losing all his money. I think Bugsy gets more credit than he deserves for "inventing" Las Vegas. But former mobster Sonny Girard wrote a great post about Bugsy - here's the link: http://www.sonnysmobsocialclub.com/mobblog.html -- you have to keep scanning down until you reach the Bugsy post.
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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities
[Re: EVL]
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03/22/11 08:13 PM
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I do know that Bugsy took over a casino that was already being constructed and that would become the Flamingo - not sure of original name. The original owner of the Flamingo was William Wilkerson. Probably the first modern styled hotel and casino in Vegas called "The Meadow" was constructed by Anthony Cornero in 1931. The mob tried to shake him down for a percentage of the profits and when he refused, they allegedly burned the place down the same year.
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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities
[Re: EVL]
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03/22/11 08:49 PM
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I forget the guy's name but I know he was such a degenerate gambler, his friends told him to build his own casino and gamble there so he'd stop losing all his money. As I mentioned in my post above, the original owner was Billy Wilkerson. He was the publisher of the Hollywood Reporter, an LA trade journal. In the movie "Bugsy," he's depicted as coming to Vegas for the first time during WWII. In reality, Siegel made his first trip to the Coast in '33, and more or less moved there permanently in '35. He'd been to Vegas many times, trying to push the Mob's racing newswire on the gambling joints, before he got interested in owning a casino.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities
[Re: Turnbull]
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03/23/11 04:40 PM
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We'd have to infer that both were involved with Siegel's hit--especially after they showed up at the Flamingo about an hour after he was killed--but the triggerman or men have never been identified. The movie would have us believe that Mickey Cohen pulled the trigger, but I doubt it.
I read that Sedway and Greenbaum took over the Flamingo within minutes before even police were aware of the murder. If they knew before the police back in CA, they were definitely tipped off. Unlike the film, Virginia Hill was out of harms way in Paris at the time of murder.
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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities
[Re: WTFMaNg]
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04/20/11 07:59 PM
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Some of this shit is absolutely ridiculous. I love how guys on the internet think they know so much about the streets when all they do is read the news and wikipedia.
Fuckin morons dont know shit... Pretty amazing, huh? Some guys know the streets but don't know shit about how to act civilly on the internet.
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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities
[Re: GaryH]
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04/24/11 08:35 PM
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O.K, so I'm busy reading "Born to the Mob" which is about FRank Saggio who was the nephew of "Philly Lucky" Giaccone (one of the 3 murdered Bonnano capo's).
Frank Saggio claimed that early in his criminal career he and a couple of his buddies sometimes stole cars for Patty Testa.
He claimed to have been at the Gemini sometimes and that he sometimes saw Richard Kuklinksi!!!!!
Now I'm a big Kuklinski dis-believer but could this be the first time another mob guy has verified one of Kuklinski's claims?
The trouble I now have is that the Kuklinski book claimed that he always met DeMeo AWAY from the Gemini (usually in a diner somewhere)!
The plot thickens.......... I've done a lot of research on Kuklinski myself. You are correct that he USUALLY met Roy away from the lounge. Typically at street corners, diners, or parking lots. However, Richard did do quite a bit of business in the lounge. There have been claims by him to help dispose of bodies inside the club. Pick up money. Give information. Anything of the sort. He spent a fair amount of time inside the lounge. I'm not 100% sure about any previous guys admitting to seeing Richard or anything. Never really cared to do research on it. However, this is the first I've heard about it. So I would have to say that yes, this is probably one of the first verifications.
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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities
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04/24/11 09:53 PM
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O.K, so I'm busy reading "Born to the Mob" which is about FRank Saggio who was the nephew of "Philly Lucky" Giaccone (one of the 3 murdered Bonnano capo's).
Frank Saggio claimed that early in his criminal career he and a couple of his buddies sometimes stole cars for Patty Testa.
He claimed to have been at the Gemini sometimes and that he sometimes saw Richard Kuklinksi!!!!!
Now I'm a big Kuklinski dis-believer but could this be the first time another mob guy has verified one of Kuklinski's claims?
The trouble I now have is that the Kuklinski book claimed that he always met DeMeo AWAY from the Gemini (usually in a diner somewhere)!
The plot thickens.......... I've done a lot of research on Kuklinski myself. You are correct that he USUALLY met Roy away from the lounge. Typically at street corners, diners, or parking lots. However, Richard did do quite a bit of business in the lounge. There have been claims by him to help dispose of bodies inside the club. Pick up money. Give information. Anything of the sort. He spent a fair amount of time inside the lounge. I'm not 100% sure about any previous guys admitting to seeing Richard or anything. Never really cared to do research on it. However, this is the first I've heard about it. So I would have to say that yes, this is probably one of the first verifications. im sorry to burst your bubble but the iceman is the biggest liar of the face of modern crime. the guy made the most ridicoulos claims ever! galante, costellano, hoffa, the list goes on and on. let me tell you the only associate involved in the killing of costelano was joe the german watts. and just like with jimmy burke, mr watts would have been a capo if his last name was wattio instead watts. there was one survelliance photo of the ice man at the gemini lounge. there was tons of surveilance on roy, the twins, and whoever else dared to be around those guys. if his claims were true the iceman would have went down with roy in 83.
I hate Dicknoses!!!!!!
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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities
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06/29/11 09:21 AM
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O.K, so I'm busy reading "Born to the Mob" which is about FRank Saggio who was the nephew of "Philly Lucky" Giaccone (one of the 3 murdered Bonnano capo's).
Frank Saggio claimed that early in his criminal career he and a couple of his buddies sometimes stole cars for Patty Testa.
He claimed to have been at the Gemini sometimes and that he sometimes saw Richard Kuklinksi!!!!!
Now I'm a big Kuklinski dis-believer but could this be the first time another mob guy has verified one of Kuklinski's claims?
The trouble I now have is that the Kuklinski book claimed that he always met DeMeo AWAY from the Gemini (usually in a diner somewhere)!
The plot thickens.......... I've done a lot of research on Kuklinski myself. You are correct that he USUALLY met Roy away from the lounge. Typically at street corners, diners, or parking lots. However, Richard did do quite a bit of business in the lounge. There have been claims by him to help dispose of bodies inside the club. Pick up money. Give information. Anything of the sort. He spent a fair amount of time inside the lounge. I'm not 100% sure about any previous guys admitting to seeing Richard or anything. Never really cared to do research on it. However, this is the first I've heard about it. So I would have to say that yes, this is probably one of the first verifications. It sounds to me that your "fair amount of research" that you did on the iceman was the following: 1. Watching the HBO special 2. Reading Phillip Carlo's Iceman As Phat said, Dick (richard kuklinski) is the biggest known liar to ever have his words put into print. Infact, the FBI, State police, DEA and cooperating witnesses have NEVER EVER NEVER EVER EVER placed Dick at the Gemini for sure, 100 percent..... oh yea, NEVER EVER. Put away Phillip Carlo's garbage and turn off HBO my man. You want to know what really went on inside the Gemini? Go buy Murder Machine read it cover to cover, sit down think for a bit, read it cover to cover again and then get on here and tell me how many times that book uses the name "Richard Kuklinski" or "the Iceman"....
FatGirl:Your cute
Me:Ok
FatGirl:So you wanna buy me a drink?
Me:No
FatGirl:Why not?
Me:Well Its tricky pumpkin,If I buy u a drink, every fat girl in here would think I liked fat girls & ask me to buy them a drink also. See ,I dont like fat girls unless im wasted and given Im only one drink deep so far, so you better buy me the drink honey, cause this 20 bucks aint covering the booze and drive thru ill need to take you home tonight
08/13/2009-jvanley Spanky Bar, 3rd stool from the left
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