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Massino Fingers gotti... #599861
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So yesterday Massino told the court that Gotti killed Vito Borelli in the 70's. Interesting...



" - Massino fingered John Gotti as the killer in a 1975 gangland hit of Vito Borelli never before attributed to the late Gambino boss. Borelli was whacked in a cookie warehouse because he said mob chieftain Paul Castellano resembled chicken king Frank Perdue. "

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King of the Godfathers already listed him as a participant in disposal. Is Massino now saying he was the triggerman? NYDN doesn't specify.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime..._vi.html?r=news

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By WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM The New York Times updated 4/13/2011 5:00:33 AM ET 2011-04-13T09:00:33
It was a straightforward question, but not one usually answered by the likes of Joseph C. Massino. At least not with such candor. The longtime boss of the Bonanno crime family was asked by a prosecutor, “What powers did you have?” Mr. Massino, seated at the witness stand, offered a quick, matter-of-fact reply.

“Murders, responsibility for the family, made captains, break captains,” he said.

And so it was that Mr. Massino, 68, the only official boss of a New York crime family ever to cooperate with federal authorities, appeared in Federal District Court in Brooklyn on Tuesday and became the first to testify against a former confederate.


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He also talked about light at the end of the tunnel. I bet this guy is in some half way house. He probably gets to spend his weekends with his family. It's making me physically sick.

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Nomerta! Mafia boss a squealer
‘Vinny told me that he had him killed. He said he was a scumbag, a rat.’

By MITCHEL MADDUX and JEREMY OLSHAN

Last Updated: 10:35 AM, April 13, 2011

There isn't a hunk of cheese big enough for this rat.

Joseph "Big Joey" Massino yesterday became the first mob boss in history to turn stoolie on the stand.

The former Bonanno leader, once dubbed "The Last Don," pointed the finger at his handpicked successor, Vincent "Vinny Gorgeous" Basciano, who is on trial in Brooklyn federal court for allegedly ordering the murder of one of their associates.

"That guy in the gray suit sitting there," Massino said, staring at the defendant, who stared back, chewing on candy.

With those words, omerta, the Mafia's famed code of silence, officially slept with the fishes.

Basciano "told me that he had him killed," Massino, 68, told the jury, describing a conversation about the late Randy Pizzolo that the two had in prison while the boss-turned-informant was wearing a wire.

"He said he was a scumbag, a rat, a troublemaker, a bad kid," Massino said explaining Basciano's reasons for wanting Pizzolo dead.

He also testified that Basciano had once volunteered to help him exterminate any rats in the family.

"If we need to kill anybody, me and [another mobster] will do it," Massino quoted Basciano as saying. A prearranged code word -- "Jocko" -- would signal the target of a killing.

Massino said that Basciano at one point suspected that Salvatore "Good Looking Sal" Vitale was an informant, and asked to "kill him as he walked out of the gym.

"I said, 'Fuggetaboudit,' " Massino testified.

Basciano's instincts were good. Vitale was flipped by the feds.

Massino, the last of the old Mafia Commission bosses, led the Bonanno family for nearly two decades. He turned rat in 2004 to avoid facing the death penalty in connection with the seven murders he had been convicted of, and an eighth for which he was awaiting trial.

"I got convicted and I decided to cooperate," he said.

In return, he testified that his wife was spared from prosecution and allowed to keep their home, while he has a shot at a reduced sentence. "One day, maybe I'll see a little light at the end of the tunnel," he said.

While still masquerading as the Bonanno boss in the federal Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, Massino fed information to US prosecutors.

Much of his cooperation involves recordings he made of conversations with Basciano, in which the new boss said he was plotting to kill a federal prosecutor, as well as Brooklyn federal Judge Nicholas Garaufis.

An FBI agent would strap a body wire on Massino, and then the ex-godfather would meet with Basciano -- who was locked up there as well -- in the jail's "bullpen" area, the blabbing ex-boss said.

That's where Basciano told him about the Pizzolo hit, even though he was concerned that the walls might have ears.

Massino recounted one incident when Basciano, who'd been acting crime boss while Massino was behind bars, approached him with a package of Pringles.

"Taste these potato chips," Massino quoted him as saying.

Massino looked carefully through the package, and "in the middle of the chips, there was a note . . . on a yellow piece of paper," he said.

It was a coded message from Basciano, which was magnified and displayed on a large screen for the jury.

"If you could just let someone know what I'm saying is coming from you. I think it will make everyone feel better," the note read.

Massino said he thought his protégé was trying to ensure their men knew that the orders Basciano was giving from behind bars still had the Massino stamp of approval.

The old-time crime boss kept the jury rapt while he told of his ascension through the mob ranks -- including his role in the infamous "Three Captains" hit -- and of how he made Basciano a made man.

Massino said his own life of crime began at age 12, when "I robbed homing pigeons."

In the late 1960s, Massino said, he was involved in "bookmaking, murders, breaking and entering." By the early 1970s, he was approached by then-boss Philip "Rusty" Rastelli to work as an associate with the Bonannos.

Massino yesterday also named John Gotti as the triggerman in the 1975 hit of Vito Borelli, who'd made a crack about mob boss Paul Castellano's resemblance to renowned chicken man Frank Perdue.

Massino was inducted into the Mafia in 1977, taking his now-shattered sacred oath to protect the secret society.

It was understood, he said, that "once a bullet leaves that gun, you never talk about it."

The Bonanno family hit hard times in the early 1980s, when it split into two factions.

Massino helped end the infighting with the "Three Captains" murders.

Members of the rival faction -- capos Dominick "Big Trin" Trinchera, Alphonse "Sonny Red" Indelicato and Philip "Philly Lucky" Giaccone -- were lured to a Brooklyn social club in May 1981 on the pretext of a sitdown to resolve the their differences.

Once inside, they were ambushed and the scene devolved into chaos.

" 'Philly Lucky' ran past me," Massino recalled. "He got shot and he went down."

Then "Sonny Red" tried to bolt, but "I grabbed his ankles," Massino said.

"Trini gets hit with a [blast from] a double-barreled shotgun."

More trouble followed for the Bonannos following the 1980s "Donnie Brasco" sting operation, in which undercover FBI Agent Joseph Pistone worked his way up the organization's ranks to bring much of it down. The family was subsequently booted from the five-family Mafia Commission.

Massino sanctioned a hit on the "family" member who brought Pistone into the gang, and helped make peace with the other families.

He said he became boss in the late 1980s and gave strict orders that his men never utter his name -- a precaution against FBI surveillance. Instead, his soldiers touched their ears to refer to him, earning him the nickname "The Ear."

In an effort to thwart wiretapping feds, he also shuttered the family's social clubs, and insisted that meetings be held in foreign nations or obscure locations within the United States.

Massino said the role of the mob boss is that of executive and executioner.

"Murders, responsibility for the family, made captains, break captains," he explained.

At one point, Massino said, the five crime families were renamed for him, Gotti, Vincent "The Chin" Gigante and Carmine Persico, but their crews used the traditional names to keep the heat off their bosses.

Massino was serving time in the early 1990s at a federal prison in Alabama when he was handed a list with 12 candidates to become soldiers in the family. One was Basciano.

"I approved them all," Massino recalled.

Basciano did not meet Massino until years later, when the boss was out of the pen and back at the restaurant he owned in Queens, the CasaBlanca.

"I told him, 'Good luck,' " Massino said.

Over time, Basciano proved his worth.

"He was a good earner," Massino recalled. "He was a good man. He had a lot of numbers spots in The Bronx."

They got to know each other, and after Basciano ate at CasaBlanca, he and his wife would join Massino for dessert.

"He'd come over and have coffee and cake with us," Massino said.

Basciano's lawyer, George Goltzer, dismissed Massino as a "no-account gangster" in his opening statement.

Over more than a quarter-century, Massino was responsible for many killings, but his "piéce de résistance" was the "sinister" murder of the three Bonanno captains, Goltzer said.

"Those three men were mowed down, and Joseph Massino became the most powerful man in that family," Goltzer said. "By the year 2000, Joseph Massino had become one of the most powerful organized-crime figures in the United States."

Though some acting bosses have testified, Massino is the first official family chieftan to take the stand. His turning rat is somewhat less surprising given how he was treated by his own protégés -- it was his brother-in-law and underboss, Vitale, among other members of his crew, who turned on him first.

Since becoming an informant, Massino has provided the FBI a steady flow of information, but his testimony yesterday will put him in the mob history books.

His testimony continues today.

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It'll be intresting to see what else Joey tells........

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It'll be intresting to see what else Joey tells........

I don't think they'll use him again. Practically his entire generation is dead or in jail. But maybe he'll write a book.


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Looks like Sonny Black had the last laugh on Big Joey!

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Gotti waa probably involved in the Borelli, but I don't believe he pulled the trigger, he don't strike me as a guy who could a person himself for some reason. Sal Vitale also claimed he dropped a body off in Queens in the early 70's and Roy DeMeo was present, with a knife. The FBI always claimed he didn't start dismembering bodies until the late 70's.

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the most interesting part to me was when he talked about the "renaming" of 4/5 families to their sitting bosses. always wondered how made guys refer to the families...like "I'm a gambino" versus "I'm with John" kinda thing

also interesting was him choosing to forgo a suit and tie and show up in a track suit...lol. I really hope his whole testimony transcripts get released like they did with DiLeonardo - those were great


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: GaryH
It'll be intresting to see what else Joey tells........

But maybe he'll write a book.


I see him writing a cook book with Rachael Ray.


Here's a few title ideas:

From Fat To Rat And Now I'm Back!

Cooking With The Canary

Dining With The Slobfather

The Ear Cooks It Bare


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Joseph 'Big Joey' Massino recordings reveal delusions of grandeur

By MITCHEL MADDUX and JEREMY OLSHAN
Last Updated: 4:40 PM, April 13, 2011

Posted: 12:41 PM, April 13, 2011

The Bonnanos think they’re the Corleone family, but not even Mario Puzo could have made up these clowns.

Based on recordings former boss-turned-rat Joseph "Big Joey" Massino made of his successor Vincent "Vinny Gorgeous" Basciano while wearing a wire, the "Godfather" character he and his crew most resemble is not Vito or Michael. It’s Fredo.

"[Anthony] Ace Aiello is like a Luca Brasi," Basciano said, comparing the Bonnano associate to the Corleone’s loyal hitman, on one of the recordings played in Brooklyn Federal court today.

"He’s your Luca Brasi," Basciano said.

After playing the recording, prosecutors asked Massino – the first mob boss to spill his guts on the stand – if he was familiar with "The Godfather" movies.

"Yes, I am," he replied. Asked to describe the significance of a Luca Brasi?" Massino exlained, "if they sent him out to kill someone, he’d do it."

The Bonnanos do apparently share the Corleone’s flair for the dramatic.

"Did your wife get the money, by the way," Basciano asks on the recording. "I sent your wife money."

Massino replied that she did in fact receive the $50,000 tribute, which was stuffed inside a bottle of Dom Perignon.

"A bottle of Dom Perignon. $50,000. It came from Vinny," Massino explained on the stand.

Prosecutors played the recordings Massino made in prison as he and Basciano stood six inches apart in adjacent exercise cages to prove that Basciano was behind the murder of associate Randy Pizzolo, for which he faces the death penalty.

"Randy — you OK’d it?" Massino asked Basciano.

"I gave the order," Basciano replies. "Randy was a f—-ing jerkoff."

Massiano then pushed him further.

"Did it warrant the clip?"

Basciano explained that Pizzolo went to meet a made man while carrying a pistol – a major Cosa Nostra no-no.

"Randy went into Villa Sonoma. He went with a gun, he got drunk and he says he’s the only one capable of killing anybody — in this family He says he was an ex-SEAL," Basciano said.

Rather than just shun him from the family, Basciano said he had him whacked to set an example.

"He’s a a f——ing dangerous kid, who don’t listen. He’s just an annoying kid," Basciano said.

"These guys were out there doing whatever the f—- they want," he added, referring to the behavior of other Bonnano members. "I thought this kid would be a good wake up call for everybody."

Massino, who turned informant in 2005 to avoid the death penalty after getting convicted of seven murders and facing charges on an eighth, complained that Basciano didn’t clear the hit with him first,

"Why didn’ you ask me?" Massino asked.

"It was already in the works, bo," Basciano said. "This kid though...this kid deserved it. This kid was a f—-ing thorn. He didn’t listen to no f——ing body."

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He kind of buried himself..with a little help from "[his] boss" Massino.


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Pizzolo claimed he was an ex-navy seal when he was drunk, lol. A few beers or cocktails and guys love to claim they are a seal or some other special forces guy.

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The prosecutor also asked Massino if he had seen Donnie Brasco and what he thought of it. It is my understanding he will ask him about GoodFellas next. Roger Ebert will be in attendance today.

Here are a few questions I e-mailed to the prosecution
"What do you think about Robert De Niro as an actor?"
"Would you say that De Niro is better than Pacino when it comes to playing Satan?"
"Scarface or Heat?"
"Who is your favorite actress and why?"
"What is your favorite scene in Deliverance?"


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Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
"What is your favorite scene in Deliverance?"

The guy's been in prison for the last 8 years. What do you think his favorite scene is?

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..........



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Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
The prosecutor also asked Massino if he had seen Donnie Brasco and what he thought of it. It is my understanding he will ask him about GoodFellas next. Roger Ebert will be in attendance today.

Here are a few questions I e-mailed to the prosecution
"What do you think about Robert De Niro as an actor?"
"Would you say that De Niro is better than Pacino when it comes to playing Satan?"
"Scarface or Heat?"
"Who is your favorite actress and why?"
"What is your favorite scene in Deliverance?"


"Lohan as Vicky Gotti - ironically appropriate or just stupid?"

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Sal Vitale also claimed he dropped a body off in Queens in the early 70's and Roy DeMeo was present, with a knife. The FBI always claimed he didn't start dismembering bodies until the late 70's.

For years the 1975 murder of Andrei Katz was believed to be the DeMeo crews first foray into dismemberment.
They haphazardly stuffed the body parts into cardboard boxes and left them in a dumpster which a vagrant later found.
Obviously in 1975, Roy and his boys hadnt quite perfected their trade and werent yet using fountain avenue dump.
I dunno wether to believe Vitale or not?

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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
"What is your favorite scene in Deliverance?"

The guy's been in prison for the last 8 years. What do you think his favorite scene is?

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..........


lol


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