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Re: Merlino vs Stanfa
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03/12/11 09:55 AM
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To say that Stanfa had NY behind him was an advantage was false. Yes NY did back Stanfa as a boss over Merlino but they would not risk their people by getting them involved.
The bottom line is this, the Mafia is about one thing and one thing only, MONEY. If Merlino would have whacked Stanfa NY would have went along with it if Merlino was bringing in cash on their joint ventures.
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08/13/2009-jvanley Spanky Bar, 3rd stool from the left
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Re: Merlino vs Stanfa
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03/12/11 11:06 AM
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Now a days that may b true but 20 years ago u couldn't b more wrong. With guys like the chin gigante around u did not go against the orders from new york if u knew what was in yur best interest There were no "orders" issued from NY on this matter. The Philly Mob makes their own decisions, they simply "reach out" to NY to see what their stance is. Look, if Merlino had killed Stanfa the NY Comission would have backed Merlino unless he was not cooperating on their joint ventures.
FatGirl:Your cute Me:Ok FatGirl:So you wanna buy me a drink? Me:No FatGirl:Why not? Me:Well Its tricky pumpkin,If I buy u a drink, every fat girl in here would think I liked fat girls & ask me to buy them a drink also. See ,I dont like fat girls unless im wasted and given Im only one drink deep so far, so you better buy me the drink honey, cause this 20 bucks aint covering the booze and drive thru ill need to take you home tonight
08/13/2009-jvanley Spanky Bar, 3rd stool from the left
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Re: Merlino vs Stanfa
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03/12/11 11:29 AM
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Now a days that may b true but 20 years ago u couldn't b more wrong. With guys like the chin gigante around u did not go against the orders from new york if u knew what was in yur best interest There were no "orders" issued from NY on this matter. The Philly Mob makes their own decisions, they simply "reach out" to NY to see what their stance is. Look, if Merlino had killed Stanfa the NY Comission would have backed Merlino unless he was not cooperating on their joint ventures. Just like Caponigro no?
"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Re: Merlino vs Stanfa
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03/12/11 12:55 PM
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Now a days that may b true but 20 years ago u couldn't b more wrong. With guys like the chin gigante around u did not go against the orders from new york if u knew what was in yur best interest There were no "orders" issued from NY on this matter. The Philly Mob makes their own decisions, they simply "reach out" to NY to see what their stance is. Look, if Merlino had killed Stanfa the NY Comission would have backed Merlino unless he was not cooperating on their joint ventures. Just like Caponigro no? Dont know who that is, I am assuming its an example of something to contradict what I said. I could be wrong, no doubt. One thing I am not is stubborn. If someone proves me wrong, I admit it. So I am assuming thats what your referring to? If so fill me in cause I obviously think I am right and am always open to learning!
FatGirl:Your cute Me:Ok FatGirl:So you wanna buy me a drink? Me:No FatGirl:Why not? Me:Well Its tricky pumpkin,If I buy u a drink, every fat girl in here would think I liked fat girls & ask me to buy them a drink also. See ,I dont like fat girls unless im wasted and given Im only one drink deep so far, so you better buy me the drink honey, cause this 20 bucks aint covering the booze and drive thru ill need to take you home tonight
08/13/2009-jvanley Spanky Bar, 3rd stool from the left
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Re: Merlino vs Stanfa
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03/12/11 02:17 PM
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Now a days that may b true but 20 years ago u couldn't b more wrong. With guys like the chin gigante around u did not go against the orders from new york if u knew what was in yur best interest There were no "orders" issued from NY on this matter. The Philly Mob makes their own decisions, they simply "reach out" to NY to see what their stance is. Look, if Merlino had killed Stanfa the NY Comission would have backed Merlino unless he was not cooperating on their joint ventures. Just like Caponigro no? Dont know who that is, I am assuming its an example of something to contradict what I said. I could be wrong, no doubt. One thing I am not is stubborn. If someone proves me wrong, I admit it. So I am assuming thats what your referring to? If so fill me in cause I obviously think I am right and am always open to learning! Caponigro was Bruno's consigliere and was considered responsible for Bruno's murder. He was summoned to New York to appear before the commission and explain why he did it. That was the last time he was seen alive. So nobody could just kill the "recognised" boss of the Philly mob and get away with it.
"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Re: Merlino vs Stanfa
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03/12/11 04:30 PM
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Now a days that may b true but 20 years ago u couldn't b more wrong. With guys like the chin gigante around u did not go against the orders from new york if u knew what was in yur best interest There were no "orders" issued from NY on this matter. The Philly Mob makes their own decisions, they simply "reach out" to NY to see what their stance is. Look, if Merlino had killed Stanfa the NY Comission would have backed Merlino unless he was not cooperating on their joint ventures. Just like Caponigro no? Dont know who that is, I am assuming its an example of something to contradict what I said. I could be wrong, no doubt. One thing I am not is stubborn. If someone proves me wrong, I admit it. So I am assuming thats what your referring to? If so fill me in cause I obviously think I am right and am always open to learning! thebarber is correct if we're talking back in the early 1980's. After Phil Testa was killed, Scarfo want to New York to make sure everyone knew he was not behind it. The Genovese family basically decided what would happen. Who would take over, who would retire in Florida, and who would die. Scarfo was put in as boss, being supported by the Genovese. They had actually wanted him to take over before but Scarfo had felt Testa deserved it more. Fast forward and you had the Gambinos putting their guy (Stanfa) in charge. Obviously many of the local guys in the Merlino faction didn't care for this though. Most recently, in one of his weekly videos George Anastasia was talking about how the Genovese and Gambino families have wanted Ligambi to change up his administration; replacing Mazzone and Borghese with Staino and Lucibello. But the implication was it's ultimately Ligambi's decision. In sum, it appears there is still a certain amount of influence from New York but the ties between the families are too fractured for them to be able to call the shots like they used to.
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Re: Merlino vs Stanfa
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03/12/11 04:56 PM
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thebarber is correct if we're talking back in the early 1980's. After Phil Testa was killed, Scarfo want to New York to make sure everyone knew he was not behind it. The Genovese family basically decided what would happen. Who would take over, who would retire in Florida, and who would die. Scarfo was put in as boss, being supported by the Genovese. They had actually wanted him to take over before but Scarfo had felt Testa deserved it more.
Fast forward and you had the Gambinos putting their guy (Stanfa) in charge. Obviously many of the local guys in the Merlino faction didn't care for this though.
Most recently, in one of his weekly videos George Anastasia was talking about how the Genovese and Gambino families have wanted Ligambi to change up his administration; replacing Mazzone and Borghese with Staino and Lucibello. But the implication was it's ultimately Ligambi's decision.
In sum, it appears there is still a certain amount of influence from New York but the ties between the families are too fractured for them to be able to call the shots like they used to. Regarding Scarfo, didn't the Gambino's have a say in the matter of who would be the next boss? I have trouble believing that Paul Castellano would defer everything to the Genovese. After the Caponigro incident, I figured any future Philly boss would want the approval of at least two NY familes to avoid being double crossed.
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Re: Merlino vs Stanfa
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03/12/11 08:45 PM
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Did Scarfo really decide not to make a run at being boss earlier because he felt Phil Testa deserved it more? You could very well be right as I am no expert but knowing what I know about Scarfo I find it hard to believe that was his only motive.
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Re: Merlino vs Stanfa
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03/12/11 09:02 PM
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Regarding Scarfo, didn't the Gambino's have a say in the matter of who would be the next boss? I have trouble believing that Paul Castellano would defer everything to the Genovese. After the Caponigro incident, I figured any future Philly boss would want the approval of at least two NY familes to avoid being double crossed. I've read in some places that Scarfo met with the heads of both families. And that may have been the case. In other places I've read only about a specific meeting set up with the Genovese leaders. Philadelphia underboss Phil Casella and captain Frank Narducci were behind Testa's murder. Afterward, Casella called a meeting, blamed the bombing on the Roofers Union, and claimed he had permission from New York to take over. Scarfo didn't buy it and set up a meeting - through Bobby Manna - with Chin Gigante and Fat Tony Salerno. Casella was also told to be there. He showed up, albeit a few hours late. Everyone presented their side of the stories. Chin then told Scarfo he was the new boss of the family. Casella was told to retire to Florida. And after Casella left the room, Chin told Scarfo to kill Frank Narducci and Rocco Marinucci in retaliation for the Testa murder.
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