The Feds are notorious for overestimating both the mob’s membership and profits. That "50 estimate" may have been REPORTED recently but it dates back to the early 2000s, at least. If you’re talking about “made guys,” I would guess there’s not a chance it’s anywhere close to 50.
There's your problem. You seem to be doing mostly "guessing" and not much researching.
I can’t find that list now but it consisted primarily of DiFronzo ,Joseph Andriacchi, Al Tornabae, Rudy Fratto, Mike Sarno, Frank Caruso and a few others.
Andriacchi is practically dead. Ditto Tornabrae, he’s 90 years old and senile. Fratto is a joke and in prison, Sarno is on the way to prison.
Good grief, where to begin? First, for somebody who claims to know a lot about the Outfit, you should know Al Tornabene died in May 2009. And he was never senile. In fact, he was said to be helping to run the Outfit prior to his death.
Second, how is Andriacchi "practically dead?" What does that even mean? He's old? Yes, a lot of mob guys are. Doesn't mean they are inactive or not a factor.
Third, why is Fratto a joke? Care to elaborate on that? And yes, he's currently in jail on the bid-rigging charge. As is Sarno. Nevertheless, there are still a number of top level Outfit guys left.
In addition to John DiFronzo (boss) and Joe Andriacchi (underboss), you have Marco D'Amico (possibly the new consigliere), Peter DiFronzo (heads the Elmwood Park/North Side crew), Joe Cullotta (heads the Grand Avenue/West Side crew), John Matassa (heads the Cicero/Melrose Park crew, and Frank Caruso (heads the 26th St/South Side crew).
The point is that even throwing out their “biggest fish” the FBI identified a handful of, without exaggerating, very senile old men.
Seems all you're doing is exaggerating. Going on hyperbole because you don't have many facts.
"What the trial has made clear is even when they are in prison they continue to exert influence and control," said James Wagner, the head of the Chicago Crime Commission, who investigated the mob for years when he was an FBI agent.
Some say it's naive to suggest that because so many of the reputed mobsters, including those on trial, are old, that the Outfit doesn't have people ready to step in and take over for the old mobsters, referred to as "Mustache Petes."
"They're still there, there's still young guys coming up," said Jack O'Rourke, a retired FBI agent who also spent years investigating the Chicago mob. "And they're still powerful enough to kill guys."http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-08-25-1590323796_x.htmYou’re telling me that the FBI or papers can’t finger even one—not one—guy involved in this vast criminal conspiracy under the age of 60?
Here's 2. Mike Sarno is 53. Nick Ferriola is 35.
Outfit is very close to dead.
Are you going to just keep saying that or are you actually going to provide some evidence of this claim? Because I can provide quite a long list of Outfit cases over the past decade that say otherwise.
And I doubt the Genovese were as powerful as Giancana, Accardo or Capone. Capone’s mob had about 3,000 associates at one time.
Considering your admitted lack of knowledge on the east coast families, as well as your apparent lack of knowledge on the Outfit, I guess this isn't even worth responding to.
I'm confused. You just got done discrediting the feds estimates but, when you find one that suits your argument, they suddenly have credibility? As I said before, over the past decade the estimates have ranged anywhere from a low of 25 to a high of 60. And even the most conservative 25 member estimate is more than the 10-20 figure you pulled out of thin air.
December 2000 -
While the Outfit once claimed hundreds of inducted, or "made," members, today that figure has dwindled to perhaps 50.
http://www.laborers.org/ChicagoMag_Moblite_12_00.htmAugust 2002 -
In the 1980s, the Chicago mob had roughly 200 "made" members, each of whom ran his own various illegal businesses. Today, according to the FBI, the mob is down to about 50 made members.
http://www.ipsn.org/characters/new_outfit.htmMay 2005 -
The FBI estimates that Chicago now only has 25 "made" members and another 75 organized crime associates. Federal authorities said that 15 years ago the mob had 50 "made" members and as many as 400 associates.
http://www.labor-unions.net/newspapers/chicago_tribune/crackdown_just_latest_hit_on_mob.htmSeptember 2007 -
Robert D. Grant, special agent in charge of the FBI's Chicago office, said the city is still plagued by 28 "made guys" and more than 100 associates who do the dirty work but are in the mob's inner circle.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-09-27-3043193147_x.htmSeptember 2007
We have dozens of open investigations,' John Mallul, supervisor of the FBI's organized crime unit in Chicago, said in an interview.....Mallul estimates the Outfit has about 30 'made' members and a little more than 100 associates.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-169287805.htmlMarch 2009 -
In addition to the 14 murders, Calabrese confessed to, he told prosecutors about 60 names of made men in the Outfit.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/mob/2009/03/what_the_prosecution_says_abou.htmlYou've gotta be kidding. The "50 made members" came from a Chicago Crime Commission Report issued in 1990.
Actually, the Chicago Crime Commission estimated 70 members back in 1997. Two years later, in 1999, the FBI released a list of 47 made members of the Outfit to the Chicago press.
