Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: HermitKermit

The Mexican Cartels aren't any different than the Italian Mafias or any organized crime group in the sense of honor, code of ethics etc. in some instances better. All of the people being beheaded or castrated are rivals killing rivals they don't do that to innocent people and it's actually very taboo/frowned upon in the Mexican underworld to hurt innocents in any way. Extortions or and kidnapping for ransom are the worst you can do in Mexican underworld and could/will lead you to your death depending on the state or city you're on. A lot of the people killed in Mexico are cartel enforcers killing each other and their affiliates.


I'm not sure where you get your information but it's wrong. The cartels have killed plenty of innocent people.

For example, Arturo Beltran Leyva gunmen retaliated against a Mexican marines' family, killing his mother, aunt, sister, and severely wounding another sister.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/23/mexican-marines-family-gunned-down

Or how about the U.S. Consulate employee and her husband who were killed by the Juarez cartel while driving with their baby in the back seat?
http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/Two-Americans-killed-in-Cuidad-Juarez-Obama-outraged-87617937.html

Or how about the 72 immigrants from South America who were killed by the Zetas?
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/2...d-by-los-zetas/

Or how about the female newspaper distributor recently killed by an offshoot of the Beltran Leyva cartel?
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation...istributor.html


I could go on and on. Yes, there are plenty of independents killing innocents as well but it's not like the cartels are squeaky clean and only kill each other. You need to get your facts right.

Well I would of specified more clearly, the Zetas and their allies the Beltran Leyva group and of course La Linea the armed wing of Juarez Cartel are the ones doing most of these types of things because either they are desperate(Beltran Leyva group which has splintered into smaller factions fighting each other or joining/getting back up from the major cartels), didn't follow the underworld rules from the beginning(Los Zetas) or need some type of income to fund their war against their rivals(La Linea). Yes extortions and kidnapping for ransoms in Mexican underworld is very taboo, that's why when rivals put narco-banners they state they are going to exterminate the larcraZ or scum(with capital Z meaning Zetas) but I never stated they were squeaky clean. Those links were big news in Mexico but they rarely happen and when they do it's big news, most of the innocents killed is because of cross fire not the cartels intentionally killing them. You could also add the 20 people from Michoacan killed because of a mistake. You're just exaggerating stuff honestly and yes a lot/most of the dead are between the cartels.

Last edited by HermitKermit; 02/05/11 02:32 AM.